Comments from the Devs

[Corrderio]

While WHM is a bit tricky, there were a few discussions about it.

Best idea I heard was change the white to a bright color of the dye used and the red would be the same color as the dye. Like if you dyed WHM AF blue the body would be a bright blue with blue triangles.

[Kaiyoko]

My point was more, if i see white and red cloak, I instantly know that person is a WHM. That's why I'd rather keep it that way, but that's me.

Pointy hat w/ dark gear I think BLM. PLD I see white plate. Others can be a bit tougher.

[Elcura]

The jobs are meant to be iconic, the colour of the armour is a part of that. Having purple WHMs and blue BLMs just sounds fucking stupid. Green WARs and brown MNKS... I mean, is this the shit you really want? Really?

I'll be happy enough if I can dye regular gear so it matches colour with AF so I don't look like a mismatched freak 90% of the time.

[TacoTaru]

Yeah I don't see the big deal over AF not being dyeable; not everything in the game needs be able to be dyed.

[Corrderio]

I really think it comes down to a person's perspective. I know some dye colors (pink) will always look like crap, but at the same time I think dye at least gives some variety instead of having everyone look exactly the same.

EDIT: Here's the concept redmage made for MNK/WHM/PLD:

http://i40.tinypic.com/pxcw3.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/11jlkch.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/2dqoa5c.jpg

It can work. I'm not saying the originals are bad, but variety is always nice to have.

[Sephiroth]

The point of jobs is to give the game a Final Fantasy feel. Letting WHMs run around in black armour and BLMs in white would be a step backwards.

[Grey Jorildyn]

I feel like this is fine.

This game flopped horribly because it tried to be too open-ended and "customizable". Keep that AF one color for iconic purposes and don't bend on this. Isn't this what players were clamoring for anyway--familiarity? Well here it is.

[Corrderio]

And people were also complaining about everybody looking exactly the same.

I don't get why color choices are a bad thing. BLM Relic/Abyssea aromor broke the tradition since until then all BLMs wore Blue coats and tan hats. Nobody complained about the set being fully black.

[Greedouw]

Besides the axe, all those Moogle King weapons look fucking retarded

[TacoTaru]

Color choices aren't a bad thing, but not every single piece of gear in the game needs to have that option. They brought in jobs to be the iconic roles players know them for. The dev comment stated that future JSE will vary in color. Of all the things to feathers ruffled over, I don't understand why this is one of them. AF gear probably won't be entirely BIS anyway, so you'll probably have other gear to dye to match or contrast your gear.

[Corrderio]

Actually from how it sounds, all JSE won't be dyed.

[TacoTaru]

I didn't mean to imply they would be. I was referring more to this:

However, in the future, it might be possible to release different colored job-specific equipment as new items.

It sounds like extensions beyond AF into whatever this game's Igqira/Hachiman/Relic/Empyrean/what-have-you will have color variations that move away from standard AF colors just like said equipment did.

[Elcura]

I really think it comes down to a person's perspective. I know some dye colors (pink) will always look like crap, but at the same time I think dye at least gives some variety instead of having everyone look exactly the same.

EDIT: Here's the concept redmage made for MNK/WHM/PLD:

http://i40.tinypic.com/pxcw3.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/11jlkch.jpg

http://i44.tinypic.com/2dqoa5c.jpg

It can work. I'm not saying the originals are bad, but variety is always nice to have.

I actually like the way these look (WHM is harder to do, as a lot of colour combos just don't look good). I wouldn't hate alternate colours for AF because I'm sure they would look good regardless, but I still think it's a mistake to do. Like it was said, the main reason for jobs and the way they were named were entirely for familiarity. People still hate the classes XIV has solely because of their names, so I doubt changing the AFs colour will help that.

[Raldo]

I don't really have an opinion on the matter, but I will say...

Don't forget that while these examples may look good, these are all individual pieces so people can make their colors mismatched if they so choose.

[Marihoki]

I don't really care for the idea of dying AF just because the job gear in FF is so iconic, but one issue dying may bring up is this:

A Word of Caution

Due to the game's data structure, it is not possible at present to dye an item more than once. After Version 2.0, however, players will be able to dye an item multiple times.

I'm just going to assume that you will only be able to receive AF only once, or it will be a pain in the ass to get. I'm pretty sure multiple people would ignore this fact, dye their armor, decide they don't like it, and will start bitching about how they can't change it back even though they were warned...

[Patriarch]

Why do you want items that only the hardcore can get? Items should be distributed based on skill, not how much time you have to play. Playing 50 hours a week doesn't always make you a better player than the guy who plays 10. The "casual" player could be efficient and accomplish more, perhaps beating Ifrit on the 50th try rather than the 500th attempt the "hardcore" player is at.

I don't want just items that cater to hardcore crowd. I want items that cater to casual players too. But I would still like there to be items that require a "hardcore" effort to obtain.

And to Elcura, simply because we have a difference of opinion, and your childlike mentality forces you to think that anyone who thinks differently therefore must be an idiot, makes you the idiot my friend.

Come again, this time without the infantile and diminutive manner of your last attempt at failed flaming.

[Elcura]

I don't want just items that cater to hardcore crowd. I want items that cater to casual players too. But I would still like there to be items that require a "hardcore" effort to obtain.

I don't even have to try.

[Patriarch]

I don't even have to try.

You should probably go watch some anime and rid us of the filth that you spew. I feel defiled by you despite the fact that a true argument between the two of us has not even begun. I await it though, and shall embrace it should you so choose to venture down that path.

Regardless, we should keep this thread relatively on topic by atleast mentioning something, anything unto which is in relation with Final Fantasy XIV. So I will restore the discussion by mentioning how absurd the new weapons are. Discuss.

[Patriarch]

Double Post, my apologies.

[Elcura]

You should probably go watch some anime and rid us of the filth that you spew. I feel defiled by you despite the fact that a true argument between the two of us has not even begun. I await it though, and shall embrace it should you so choose to venture down that path.

Haha, oh come on. Do I really need to argue with a guy who posted this?

Logic is nothing more than opinions to whom some believe to be the correct way of doing things.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y41...k/11793062.jpg

I mean, do you not... do you not even see what you have done?

You are right though, we should probably get back on topic...