Comments from the Devs

[Ratatapa]

Are you addressing me because then Rata can do his woosh.

Ill do it now so you can call me stupid and everyone will be happy




WOOSH

[Churchill]

Nope, good job this time

[Sephiroth]

I don't think people are arguing the RNG issue, more the fact that in ARR if I didn't want a crow's feather I stood 0 percent chance of getting one. If my success percentage of getting an ash log was 87, I understand there is still a chance of getting nothing, but do you know what I won't get? A crow's feather. I'm glad they took the slider mini game out, makes gathering materials much quicker.

Again, what if you DO want a crow feather? What if your node has more than one item that you want? You would rather do twice the gathering instead of getting both together.

On the plus it's good for the economy. If everyone is gathering the most expensive item from the node and not getting items on the side then these other items like iron ore will rocket in price.

[Xanthe]

Again, what if you DO want a crow feather? What if your node has more than one item that you want? You would rather do twice the gathering instead of getting both together.

On the plus it's good for the economy. If everyone is gathering the most expensive item from the node and not getting items on the side then these other items like iron ore will rocket in price.

You never got two different items with one swing. If two items shared the same slot it was purely random which item you ended up with. You say you want a crow feather in ARR? Pick that item from the list.

[Lucavi]

Don't bother, Xanthe. Its just not sinking in.

[Spider-Dan]

Gathering is boring though. ARR just made it less annoying by telling you directly what you're going to get along with lag fixes so you aren't chopping a tree from 10 feet away.

You sure about that?

Based on the last two pages, I presume that the whole BG-enforcement-of-Alpha-NDA premise has been kicked to the curb...

[Lokus]

You sure about that?

Based on the last two pages, I presume that the whole BG-enforcement-of-Alpha-NDA premise has been kicked to the curb...

Based on alpha footage and what the devs have shown us. We honestly won't know for sure about lag issues until retail anyway when all the gears are turning.

[Sephiroth]

You never got two different items with one swing. If two items shared the same slot it was purely random which item you ended up with. You say you want a crow feather in ARR? Pick that item from the list.

I don't know why simple maths is so difficult on here. But let's look at it from the most basic of maths.

You hit a rock 10 times, aiming for cobalt ore. Let's assume a 60% chance of getting that item.

In V1 you end up with 6 cobalt ores and 4 iron ores.
In ARR you end up with 6 cobalt ores and 4 nothings.

So you now require 14 successful gathers to get your 6 cobalt ores and 4 iron ores, or so you'd think. But no, that iron ore won't be 100% success either, so we're now at 15 or 16 gatherings to equal the 10 in V1.

If you can't understand why the former is better then I give up. I can't make it any simpler to understand.

Fair enough you don't want a crow feather, but it's not always the case that the alternative items are junk.

[Grey Jorildyn]

You realize you're arguing with a bunch of masochists, right? Come on man, this is the FINAL FANTASY community. If shit hurts, we'll do it a hundred times. If there isn't any pain involved, it's not our cup of tea.

[Gokulo]

I don't know why simple maths is so difficult on here. But let's look at it from the most basic of maths.

You hit a rock 10 times, aiming for cobalt ore. Let's assume a 60% chance of getting that item.

In V1 you end up with 6 cobalt ores and 4 iron ores.
In ARR you end up with 6 cobalt ores and 4 nothings.

So you now require 14 successful gathers to get your 6 cobalt ores and 4 iron ores, or so you'd think. But no, that iron ore won't be 100% success either, so we're now at 15 or 16 gatherings to equal the 10 in V1.

If you can't understand why the former is better then I give up. I can't make it any simpler to understand.

Fair enough you don't want a crow feather, but it's not always the case that the alternative items are junk.

You're forgetting the part where doing 16 gatherings in ARR can be faster than 10 in 1.0. (not a definitive comparison, but you get my point)

[Kurokikaze]

You're forgetting the part where doing 16 gatherings in ARR can be faster than 10 in 1.0. (not a definitive comparison, but you get my point)

^ Hes right. Gathering itself is significantly faster in ARR. This is what you should actually be looking at.

[Nadrojj]

I don't know why simple maths is so difficult on here. But let's look at it from the most basic of maths.

You hit a rock 10 times, aiming for cobalt ore. Let's assume a 60% chance of getting that item.

In V1 you end up with 6 cobalt ores and 4 iron ores.
In ARR you end up with 6 cobalt ores and 4 nothings.

So you now require 14 successful gathers to get your 6 cobalt ores and 4 iron ores, or so you'd think. But no, that iron ore won't be 100% success either, so we're now at 15 or 16 gatherings to equal the 10 in V1.

If you can't understand why the former is better then I give up. I can't make it any simpler to understand.

Fair enough you don't want a crow feather, but it's not always the case that the alternative items are junk.

Just say no to crow feathers.

[Lucavi]

^ Plus, you're always either getting or not getting what you want, which is pretty much like every other popularized MMO handles it. Anything extra that you obtain from a single gathering node (either through talents, traits, world-wide buffs, ect.) is simply a bonus. If I hit a copper mining node, however, I expect to get copper, not a random piece of tin, despite there being a separate tin node 3 feet away.

Copper AND tin from the same copper node as a bonus on the same swing? Sure. But not tin when I'm swinging for copper on a copper node.

NDA rules only apply for stuff SE hasn't shown. Since they've shown gathering and released it to the world, obviously discussions about what they've shown aren't NDA-restricted. Use your head.

[Lucavi]

Good lord. It has nothing to do with progression or some sense of progression, and everything with the speed of acquisition of what you're seeking to acquire. If you can obtain your desired material faster in 2.0 than in 1.0, then mission accomplished.

Mission accomplished, but yes, continue to hurl elementary-grade insults. My pride is so terribly, terribly wounded.

[shidobu]

oh boy....

[Lucavi]

Wait. Nevermind. You're the only one going down this route, so discussing this is pointless. Think what you will.

[Grey Jorildyn]

Did you really have an issue with the amount of raw materials in 1.0?

Uh, yeah, I did. Dunno about the res tof these guys. There are FAR too many items obtained through gathering that are borderline or actually worthless. Furthermore, you often get an abundance of those same items that aren't worthwhile to even get. Hi2u Kukuru Beans. Sup random branches. How goes, dyes-i'll-just-npc-anyway?

Catch my drift?

[Grey Jorildyn]

It's over until people start grinding old-school style and realize it's the same!

I'm just messin' I really don't care about this conversation either. *yawn*

[Lucavi]

And poof, there go the posts.

In other news, what do you think the over/under is on this puppy shipping out on time? I suppose it won't matter to much considering there aren't any MMO heavy hitters coming out this summer, but you know how anal shareholders are about dates.

[Nadrojj]

And poof, there go the posts.

In other news, what do you think the over/under is on this puppy shipping out on time? I suppose it won't matter to much considering there aren't any MMO heavy hitters coming out this summer, but you know how anal shareholders are about dates.

Was wondering if you were having a one sided conversation with yourself lol.

Some asshat made a thread today on the official forms, BETA IS COMING FEB 12th! Turned out to be just another look at me I need attention posts. I'm betting they that it it's going to be mid month. I don't forsee them holding it back from us for any longer than that. Nothing communicated that they've hit any type of major snags with anything.