Comments from the Devs

[Sigmakan]

Well, from what they are saying now most of the stuff won't be fixed until Phase 3.

Even the UI things are slipping to phase 3? Thats a bit troublesome. Like someone above mentioned, they might want to keep phase 3 closed then. Phase 3 seems to have a ton of changes on top of introducing new areas, new servers, new server locations, and character import. Shit WILL go wrong.

[Dakin]

I read it as character aesthetics and names will carry over, relating to recreating or keeping our characters the same. It doesn't say progress.

[Gokulo]

Even the UI things are slipping to phase 3? Thats a bit troublesome. Like someone above mentioned, they might want to keep phase 3 closed then. Phase 3 seems to have a ton of changes on top of introducing new areas, new servers, new server locations, and character import. Shit WILL go wrong.

Well they are doing some fixes every round so they are working on stuff, but it seems the main changes are done on Phase 3 ver.


@the transfer thing
They never clarified, which is a little annoying

[Sephiroth]

It could be that phase 3 is a different client than phase 1 and 2 like the switch from alpha to beta.
But I agree the NDA should stay in place until phase 4.

[Kurokikaze]

Theres a lot of stuff coming in Phase 3/4 that should be dealt with waaaay earlier to make sure there are no issues. Especially the content finder.

[Lucavi]

Theres a lot of stuff coming in Phase 3/4 that should be dealt with waaaay earlier to make sure there are no issues. Especially the content finder.

Agreed. P3 is too long of a wait, especially if they're going to do multiple tests in P2.

[Takiwaki]

Agreed. P3 is too long of a wait, especially if they're going to do multiple tests in P2.

I agree but at this point I think the phase 2 build is already locked, and they would just want to test the new stuff added as well as tweaks to balance etc. Alot of the cosmetic changes etc I am sure they have already made but are just not able to push out, until phase 3.

We will see =/, Looks like an extended phase 3 imo, and will not be surprised by any delay atm, due to how shaky the servers has been.

[Lucavi]

I don't mind them sticking to that schedule, but removing the NDA for P3? Not so sure about that. There's still a lot that needs fixing and cleaning up, and if they're planning on "addressing it" by P3, you're going to see a lot of that stuff not working, and potentially some bad press. The game has come far, but not enough; not yet.

I suppose they feel that it'd be too hard to ask the entire player-base of 1.0, plus the new testers, to stay hush-hush after getting their hands on it.

[Izzy]

I keep seeing this, and haven't seen it worded any differently:

Phase 4 - Open Beta (1-2 weeks)
• Character data from Phase-3 wiped
• Characters created will carry over to release
• Content: Duty Finder / Level Sync / Player Housing (stress test) / PVP Coliseum

Does this mean that only characters created will carry over to release, and any progress we make on our imported characters will not carry over? Or, does it mean that all progress we make during phase 4 will carry over?

[Gokulo]

I keep seeing this, and haven't seen it worded any differently:



Does this mean that only characters created will carry over to release, and any progress we make on our imported characters will not carry over? Or, does it mean that all progress we make during phase 4 will carry over?

Lol, read the current page at least

[miokomioko]

In addition to that vague wording they also noted that they will consider releasing the game as an early-access for possibly Legacy members or perhaps all existing 1.0 accounts during Phase-4.

This, on top of that "carry-over" comment, it sound like it's just going to reserve the name and character customization information when you create characters in Phase-4.

[Rionel]

So another person quoting me without even discussing what I was talking about but acting like they're disagreeing. To that I say "fuck you, Barry Sanders was way better than Jim Brown, you're dumb.“

And I'm sure I am in the minority: I'm not some dipshit insisting their way is the only way. I don't want to grind. Did you think I did? What a fucking weirdo you are.

You're certainly coming off as more than stand-offish though. Then again, I suppose BG is home to that sort of behaviour...

Hmm... I wonder how they're going to implement the Grand Company exchange? Would they allow for dungeon/unique equipment to be used again for points, or maybe they'll try to keep it purely on a quest basis? The equipment you could get from GC was actually decent if I remember, right? It could be interesting.

Just so long as there isn't any dawn drop selling again, haha.

[Grey Jorildyn]

Funny argument going on here....as usual.

Edit: Fuck it I'll weigh in. What's the dif between open world grinding and grinding a dungeon a 100x if we're just talking about xp?

As already mentioned, after your first max toon you've blown all your quests so...

Big difference. See in one you just get (a lot less) xp for your efforts. In the other, you get (a ton more) xp and some nice gear. You know, that way when you PUG the next dungeons you're not gimp-as-fuck player who makes the whole damn party struggle because your tanking/healing/dps utterly blows since you probably never upgrade your gear (it's more likely than you imagine among the "average" player base).

You have not blown all your quests on one max-level character. There are three cities. Three main storylines. Three sets of dungeons. That's at least three jobs. Then you gotta worry about how to get XP from there on out. Dungeons will always be there to "grind". How you'll make up the rest I think is still being debated by the developers. That said, open world grinding may seem like a "simple fix", but whenever SE seems to go that route, they screw shit up. Open world grinding is mindless, literally pointless, and provides 0 tangible rewards to better your character. The players clamoring for it are entirely stuck in the meta. I personally think it's bad based on my first paragraph because of its pure lack of guidance, and what players "choose" in that environment.

[Takiwaki]

Big difference. See in one you just get (a lot less) xp for your efforts. In the other, you get (a ton more) xp and some nice gear. You know, that way when you PUG the next dungeons you're not gimp-as-fuck player who makes the whole damn party struggle because your tanking/healing/dps utterly blows since you probably never upgrade your gear (it's more likely than you imagine among the "average" player base).

You have not blown all your quests on one max-level character. There are three cities. Three main storylines. Three sets of dungeons. That's at least three jobs. Then you gotta worry about how to get XP from there on out. Dungeons will always be there to "grind". How you'll make up the rest I think is still being debated by the developers. That said, open world grinding may seem like a "simple fix", but whenever SE seems to go that route, they screw shit up. Open world grinding is mindless, literally pointless, and provides 0 tangible rewards to better your character. The players clamoring for it are entirely stuck in the meta. I personally think it's bad based on my first paragraph because of its pure lack of guidance, and what players "choose" in that environment.

Also to add, there are already class specific quest chains, as well as the hunting log being class specific, they are already trying to cater to us not running out of quests for leveling in that aspect also.

[Izzy]

Lol, read the current page at least

I see nothing besides speculation.

[Izzy]

This, on top of that "carry-over" comment, it sound like it's just going to reserve the name and character customization information when you create characters in Phase-4.

That's what I figured it would be as well, however there's going to be so much fucking crying about it not carrying over to release.

[Raldo]

I see nothing besides speculation.

He was trying to say that I had posted the exact same question 10 posts prior to yours, and no, it seems we don't have a solid answer to that question.

I just want to know, so I know if I can piss my money away like crazy in phase 4, or whether I should actually hold onto it.

[Izzy]

He was trying to say that I had posted the exact same question 10 posts prior to yours, and no, it seems we don't have a solid answer to that question.

I just want to know, so I know if I can piss my money away like crazy in phase 4, or whether I should actually hold onto it.

derp my bad

I am more interested to know whether or not I should spend time actually leveling up some crafts and shit or just to jerk around.

[Waraji]

Based on comments made by Yoshi, it Would seem progress, not just character name will carry over to retail. He has mentioned something along the lines of "If some game breaking bug or exploit is found during phase 3/4, progress for that phase won't be carried over". They could possibly just roll back the data if such things do occur mid phase, if they really wanted to. Its pretty simple just to carry over names if they do happen to roll back during those phases.

[Alkar]

I'm sure we'll know by then. Open Beta is still far away and I'm sure Phase 3 will last longer if issues arise.