Comments from the Devs

[Amiricle]

I hope that the armory board is complex enough to allow is to queue up on multiple different classes for the duty finder. As in automatically switch you to the class/class role that you're chasen as by the system if you have a gear preset saved for it.

Would be surprised otherwise. Party search tool as it stands now lets you search by and seek by multiple classes. Doesn't automatically switch you but you can for instance be gathering on botanist and have a seek party flag up for both level 15 archer and 25 conjurer.

[Spider-Dan]

It's way too early to tell because we don't know how many sets we need. Also you don't really need to bring your DoL sets with you if you're gonna raid and I'd say the same for DoH too.

In XI it was more acceptable to "not bring sets with you" because you had to go back to town to change jobs anyway; if you were choosing to leave a set in your MH, it was something like your WHM melee gear or your THF RACC gear.

In XIV, no one wants to be forced to choose between their BLM MACC set and having to go back to town to switch to BTN. There's a huge barrier there.

[Vuitton]

In XI it was more acceptable to "not bring sets with you" because you had to go back to town to change jobs anyway; if you were choosing to leave a set in your MH, it was something like your WHM melee gear or your THF RACC gear.

In XIV, no one wants to be forced to choose between their BLM MACC set and having to go back to town to switch to BTN. There's a huge barrier there.

We have multiple gear sets. Calm down chicken little. You probably shouldn't be using multiple gear sets for the same job anyway. Just use 1 gear set and if you need to switch out gear for macc or whatever, you can just macro that in, thus saving a gear set for another class.

Also, in XI going back to town to change jobs/gear was a pain in the ass that could take upwards of half an hour depending on how far you were from town. In XIV 2.0 it's a non-issue. You return/teleport back to town, do your shit, and teleport back. Costs you chump change in gil and takes almost no time.

[Churchill]

Unacceptable

[Spider-Dan]

We have multiple gear sets.

Um, that's the entire point: exactly how many gear sets will we have?

You probably shouldn't be using multiple gear sets for the same job anyway. Just use 1 gear set and if you need to switch out gear for macc or whatever, you can just macro that in, thus saving a gear set for another class.

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You do realize that this discussion is about whether the 100 main inventory slots will cut it, right?

One can't say, "Don't worry about the 100 inventory guys, you can throw stuff in gear sets" and then come back with, "Why are you trying to put everything in gear sets? Macro it from main inventory."

Also, in XI going back to town to change jobs/gear was a pain in the ass that could take upwards of half an hour depending on how far you were from town.

Yes, but since changing your job required that trip anyway, portable inventory was not really a limiting factor in what jobs you could change to.

In contrast, since XIV does not require that trip to change class, the question of which classes you will play (and/or how well you will play them) is much more restricted by the size of the inventory that is made available.

In XIV 2.0 it's a non-issue. You return/teleport back to town, do your shit, and teleport back. Costs you chump change in gil and takes almost no time.

In XIV, going back to town to change jobs is not an acceptable solution. This isn't 2006 anymore, and there isn't much point to allowing people to change classes in the field if you're going to make them to go back to town for gear anyway (because of inventory limitations).

[Cichy]

He said he's working on the armory board shit. I think Yoshida realizes the inconvenience this system can cause, just wait and see.

[Lucavi]

Someone needs to cue the waiting skeleton image now.

[Waraji]

Someone needs to cue the waiting skeleton image now.

How so? Armoury Board will be out for testing come Phase 3. Hardly long of a wait, which is far from an empty promise.

[Pooky]

How so? Armoury Board will be out for testing come Phase 3. Hardly long of a wait, which is far from an empty promise.

I cringe at the thought of phase 3. So much stuff being added, so little has been tested, and no NDA to protect them from terrible reporting/word of mouth.

[Alkar]

In XI it was more acceptable to "not bring sets with you" because you had to go back to town to change jobs anyway; if you were choosing to leave a set in your MH, it was something like your WHM melee gear or your THF RACC gear.

In XIV, no one wants to be forced to choose between their BLM MACC set and having to go back to town to switch to BTN. There's a huge barrier there.

You don't need to choose between your BTN set and your Macc set because if you're using one you're not using the other. It's a minor inconvienience at best and anyone playing Beta can quickly realize how many sets we would've gotten anyway and it's a system that will be replaced in a few weeks.
If I'm planning to go raid I sure as hell won't bring my field sets because they're completely useless in that situation. Even then it's not an issue because that set won't be in my inventory anyway so it's not taking up space.

[Sephiroth]

I don't know if there are plans for it but why can't SE just add retainer storage access at all camps? That way you just have to go to the nearest camp to get these rare sets rather than back to the city. Considering how fast travel is in the game going back to a city is hardly an inconvenience like it was in XI anyway.

[Waraji]

Actually, they've made it out to seem, in my opinion (and possibly in interviews), that they will be allowing you to summon your retainers out in the field, or at least manage them somehow remotely.

[Spider-Dan]

You don't need to choose between your BTN set and your Macc set because if you're using one you're not using the other.

If you need to choose which set you have on you, it's a problem. Going back to town to gear up defeats the purpose of being able to change classes in the field, and would be a step backward from 1.0.

It's a minor inconvienience at best and anyone playing Beta can quickly realize how many sets we would've gotten anyway and it's a system that will be replaced in a few weeks.

Not sure how you can "realize" how many sets we "would've" gotten. If you're trying to say that there should be some sort of obvious correlation between the number of classes available and the number of sets available, I encourage you to ask yourself how many different gearsets a class would reasonably use (given the different types of gear available) and apply that number to your analysis.

If I'm planning to go raid I sure as hell won't bring my field sets because they're completely useless in that situation.

If your point is that players should be taking trips back to town to re-gear (in a game that emphasizes the ability to change class in the field), then fine. Like I said, that's a regression from 1.0.

Even then it's not an issue because that set won't be in my inventory anyway so it's not taking up space.

That greatly depends on how many sets are available, doesn't it?

[Waraji]

Yall love to argue about some pedantic shit...

[Alkar]

And I encourage you to ask yourself how many sets would be used by more than 1 class before assuming that every single job/class available is going to require 8 sets of gear around all the time.
I can assure you that Botanist won't require more than 1 set and guess on how many classes you're going to use that same set?
Melees will also share very similar sets with some changes depending on how good their job specific gear will be. I think you're trying to apply FFXI logic into this game and it simply doesn't work because it's not designed to support gear swaps. The amount of sets will greatly depend on the content that we have no way to guess or know until launch so screaming that this is an issue right now is entirely useless (especially with a system redesign coming over).

[Raldo]

I actually had two botanist gearsets in 1.0 (max perception Grades 1~4 & max perception while maintaining 8 swings on Grade 5), but I agree with your point as a whole.

[ArchDizzle]

Also consider it looks like you won't be able to change jobs once inside an instanced dungeon so that plus a decent amount of gearsets it shouldn't be an issue.

[Valacirca]

Did someone release autism grenades or something, because you guys have been arguing about the same meaningless thing for pages now just going in circles.

[Spider-Dan]

And I encourage you to ask yourself how many sets would be used by more than 1 class before assuming that every single job/class available is going to require 8 sets of gear around all the time.
I can assure you that Botanist won't require more than 1 set and guess on how many classes you're going to use that same set?

I can't fully respond to this without breaking NDA. Suffice it to say that unless there is a significant change in the primary way sets are created, your logic has a fatal flaw.

Furthermore, if you're asking how many other classes I would use gear that emphasizes gathering, perception, output, and STR, the answer is... zero? I'm not using STR gear on MIN or FSH. And I can't exactly unmeld STR from my gear to change sets.

Lastly, gear has differing class requirements (and classes have differing stat emphasis), so it's not like you drop your axe and pick up a bow and the same gear just works. The idea that you're going to use one set of gear on different jobs is not really viable.

[Katlan]

Did someone release autism grenades or something, because you guys have been arguing about the same meaningless thing for pages now just going in circles.

I facepalm everytime I look at this thread. Lets compare apples to banana's.. Will be a more intellectually stimulating conversation