Comments from the Devs

[Niiro]

Idk why they felt the need to change songs from the way they were in 1.0 anyway.

[Spider-Dan]

Or maybe they don't want BRD to be a complete support job in this game and would rather have buffs as an extra. They need to come up with something to adress the MP issue but I don't mind the new song mechanics that much. They can always add a pure support class in the future.

Why get rid of the only support class in the game if you're already talking about "adding one in the future"? There's far more of a logjam at DD than there is at support. And BRD already did a good job of being an improved version of the COR-style support+DD role.

Even a pure support will always have ways to fight, and effective ones at that.

BRD was already quite competent at this in 1.0; changing their subclass from THM to LNC, by itself, would have been a solid move to strengthen that.

Given the straight 20% damage penalty now applied to singing BRDs, these changes to song mechanics don't seem to increase DD ability at all, but instead simply reduce support ability while (at best) sidegrading damage.

Idk why they felt the need to change songs from the way they were in 1.0 anyway.

This.

That all being said, I'm willing to withhold judgment until we see how this works in endgame. It seems really bad, but maybe (like XI RDM with PLD) SCH will have some sort of ability that works really well with BRD.

[Melena]

This may have been said and probably missed, but did they say if the PC CE of ARR is going to be sold in stores or not? I seem to only be able to find the CE for the PS3 version and wife wants the PC version.

[ArchDizzle]

Why get rid of the only support class in the game if you're already talking about "adding one in the future"? There's far more of a logjam at DD than there is at support. And BRD already did a good job of being an improved version of the COR-style support+DD role.


BRD was already quite competent at this in 1.0; changing their subclass from THM to LNC, by itself, would have been a solid move to strengthen that.

Given the straight 20% damage penalty now applied to singing BRDs, these changes to song mechanics don't seem to increase DD ability at all, but instead simply reduce support ability while (at best) sidegrading damage.


This.

That all being said, I'm willing to withhold judgment until we see how this works in endgame. It seems really bad, but maybe (like XI RDM with PLD) SCH will have some sort of ability that works really well with BRD.

I've seen several mentions of the 20% damage penalty for Bard and not sure what this is, can anyone throw me a link or elaborate more on this?

[Ardrial]

Purchase link for pc collector's edition.

[Elcura]

Idk why they felt the need to change songs from the way they were in 1.0 anyway.

Because singing a song every 3 minutes doesn't really make you a bard, makes you a guy who shoots stuff and sings occasionally. This way you're more involved, keeping an eye on MP/pacing yourself, using songs when necessary and not just because you haven't used it yet and the mechanic of a constant aura doesn't overly distract you from doing DPS as well. You don't just sing and forget about it for 3 minutes, you got to make a decision.

Even support needs something active to do, singing a song every 3 minutes is hardly an engaging role. 1.0's version didn't even slightly feel like a BRD, XI's did but holy fuck did I hate BRD in XI. 2.0 feels even less like a BRD, but honestly what's the big deal with BRD anyway? Any pure representation of the class would just be fucking boring without something to keep it active.

[arkaine23]

Jumping back in with 50+ pages to catch up on....

Has there been discussion about simplified gear stats? Like AF/relic/primal/DL having same stats as everything else? Have devs given any indication that this is just a beta thing and that stats like enhances ability X, and regen/refresh, and proc effects will come later on? Only having basic stats is super boring IMO.

[Ratatapa]

Urgh official forum people

Someone crying that duty finder is cross server, and that cross server people don't wanna socialize since they won't play with each other again


This if a mmorpg not Facebook

[arkaine23]

I've seen several mentions of the 20% damage penalty for Bard and not sure what this is, can anyone throw me a link or elaborate more on this?

Dats, descriptions of Paeon and Ballad.

http://xivdb.com/?search/!filters/Il...FfSU5HQU1FXzEi

[ArchDizzle]

Dats, descriptions of Paeon and Ballad.

http://xivdb.com/?search/!filters/Il...FfSU5HQU1FXzEi

Much appreciated.

[xopher]

I wonder if bard will be able to use blizzard and get Umbral Ice. That would be broken.

edit: Nevermind looks like bliz is thm/blm only.

[Grey Jorildyn]

I can't wait until they implement the multi-effect songs. Shit will be cash!
It's gonna happen eventually right...?

[Headspace]

Urgh official forum people

Someone crying that duty finder is cross server, and that cross server people don't wanna socialize since they won't play with each other again


This if a mmorpg not Facebook

They're using Yoshis quote about building a community which won't happen if you group with people on other services.

[Vuitton]

NA pre-order for the OST is available now:

http://t.co/keKwrAlT0C

[Ratatapa]

They're using Yoshis quote about building a community which won't happen if you group with people on other services.

Just gave them an analogy about duty finder and work, i love bugging those people (even if it makes my head hurts)

[Amiricle]

They're using Yoshis quote about building a community which won't happen if you group with people on other services.

Well, it could if they rebuilt their server architecture to allow cross-server companies/link shells/friendlists, /tells & temporary guesting on other servers, but that'll never happen so yea....

[Xanthe]

NA pre-order for the OST is available now:

http://t.co/keKwrAlT0C

Money well spent.

[Alkar]

Jumping back in with 50+ pages to catch up on....

Has there been discussion about simplified gear stats? Like AF/relic/primal/DL having same stats as everything else? Have devs given any indication that this is just a beta thing and that stats like enhances ability X, and regen/refresh, and proc effects will come later on? Only having basic stats is super boring IMO.

Stats aren't final. They probably won't be until launch or Phase 4 if endgame content is added then.

[Jamison]

NA pre-order for the OST is available now:

http://t.co/keKwrAlT0C

Pre-order in. Thanks for the link!

[Sign]

Ugh, $50 is a little steep, especially when the only thing it will play on is my PS3. Would love a wind-up Dalamud but not for that much.