Comments from the Devs

[Ratatapa]

[Gokulo]

Am I supposed to blush?

[Ratatapa]

No but a cactuar actually talked!

[Gokulo]

His post is actually confusing as it contradicts what they posted previously (the high ferry price is listed under the known bugs list).

[Seiji Okita]

His post is actually confusing as it contradicts what they posted previously (the high ferry price is listed under the known bugs list).

I guess technically, the ferry fee was 'bug'ging the shit out of everyone who wanted to start in Limsa, found nothing around them but PCs with axes. Then were told the only way off the island was to level with all the tanks or spend 55,xxx gil lmao


Yeah it's a reach...

[Elcura]

So the "main mechanic" of COR (a hybrid support/DD) was "gambling," yet the main mechanic of 1.0 BRD (a hybrid support/DD) was not "singing"? Arbitrary.

Didn't actually say that BRD never sings. I said sings occasionally. BRDs power was pretty much the ability for people to remember they had sung at some point.

It requires more skill in "positioning" and "planning" to maintain two songs on different people than it does to maintain one song on yourself.

...No it doesn't. Here's the scenario, are the mages together? Ballad, are the melee together? Paeon. Maintaining two songs? Don't you mean using two abilities is hard? And what do you do afterwards, you just shoot stuff or support. That requires more skill than positioning anyway, attacking and moving around? All of which require more than 1.0 just due to how little it stops you.

I guess it's a good thing that everyone standing near the mob all needed the same song, and everyone not standing near the mob all needed the same song, and everyone not standing near the mob would always stand in the same spot, right?

Yeah we get it Dan, you think singing songs is hard. It isn't, it doesn't require much skill to use in the first place, so making it actually need effort and thought to maintain songs requires more skill, since if you fuck up you run out of MP and can't sing.

And by "near them," you mean "5' in from your max firing distance." So risky!

Riskier for sure. Riskier than singing for 3 seconds and running like a coward.

Because 1.0 BRD never had to deal with any of that, right?

BRD never had to deal with maintaining songs. Not to mention attacking in ARR is far more complex and fast paced than it ever was in 1.0. Generally you're doing more.

Quick, which involves more singing?

a) maintaining at least 2 different songs on different people for nearly every party
b) maintaining one song solely on yourself

You're maintaining a song around yourself, considering that a constant field of effect is more than a buff that doesn't have any other requirements...then b.

Is being a BRD a good thing, or a bad thing? Make up your mind.

It's nonsensical to bash 1.0 BRD for "not really being a BRD" and then turn around and say that 2.0 BRD is "even less like a BRD, but why do you guys even care?"

Maybe you missed it, but I generally don't like BRD.

[Obsidian]

His post is actually confusing as it contradicts what they posted previously (the high ferry price is listed under the known bugs list).

The bug was not being told the price unless you actually had enough gil to pay it.

[Spider-Dan]

I figured that price was intentional.

[Ratatapa]

I figured that price was intentional.

You didn't read did you

[Spider-Dan]

...No it doesn't. Here's the scenario, are the mages together? Ballad, are the melee together? Paeon.

- Are the mages separated? Then two separate ballads.
- Do you have a PLD that needs MP? Then add a (precisely positioned, side specific) ballad to whatever you were doing before.
- Did a DD change sides for a WS and accidentally receive the wrong song? Renew song for the melees.
- Did you want a buff that actually improved your damage? Then you need to sing paeon last (or sing it again for yourself).
- Repeat all of the above every 3 minutes.

This is as opposed to ARR BRD's task list:
- activate song
- stand kind of in the middle of everyone
- play ARC until your MP drains and then refills

It would be one thing if Ballad actually refilled your MP; then you could at least have some of the THM-style astral fire/umbral ice intelligent MP cycling going on. But BRD's MP management is binary: song on, or song off. It's brain dead.

Maintaining two songs? Don't you mean using two abilities is hard?

Still harder than using one ability for everyone in your party.

Yeah we get it Dan, you think singing songs is hard. It isn't, it doesn't require much skill to use in the first place, so making it actually need effort and thought to maintain songs requires more skill, since if you fuck up you run out of MP and can't sing.

So in other words, maintaining different songs with different expiring durations (that do not have timers displayed) doesn't take much skill, so that system should be replaced with... one song for everyone that has no fixed duration and can be simply turned on or off?

The idea that one song for everyone (with no timers to manage) is somehow more complex or challenging than managing different songs with different expirations on multiple people is so laughable as to be absurd. But I'm sure you'll file this away as another example of Dan being Dan, right?

I'll close with this gem of a quote:

BRD never had to deal with maintaining songs.

[Spider-Dan]

You didn't read did you

Yes, I read the part where they said they intentionally set the price high to limit its use.

i.e. it was not an accidental bug

[Ratatapa]

Yes, I read the part where they said they intentionally set the price high to limit its use.

i.e. it was not an accidental bug

Yeah you didn't read

The bug was that for some people when they talked to the NPc no price was shown for the boat

[Cichy]

they giving away beta keys at http://www.gamesradar.com/keygiveawa...l-fantasy-XIV/

[Spider-Dan]

Yeah you didn't read

The bug was that for some people when they talked to the NPc no price was shown for the boat

There was more than one "bug."

An issue where the transport cost for the Lominsan Ferry and airship cannot be confirmed if characters do not possess enough gil.
[...]
An issue where the transport cost for the Lominsan Ferry is set too high.

In other words, the bug that you're talking about (now) applied to both airship and ferry, and was exacerbated by the previously claimed "bug" of supposedly-too-high-ferry-prices. In the screencap you posted, the SE rep (replying to a post about bugged high ferry price, NOT bugged invisible ferry price) said that the ferry price amount was, in fact, Working As Intended.

Which is what I said before.

[Evane]

2.0 feels even less like a BRD

Actually I think it feels more like the "traditional" BRD that many FF games featured before. Continuous singing of a single song to buff the party. The arrow shooting and the MP draining while singing were necessities added to the job since it's an online game.

[Rionel]

they giving away beta keys at http://www.gamesradar.com/keygiveawa...l-fantasy-XIV/

Shit, that was quick! They're all done now.

[Alkar]

Why would your Paladin need Ballad anyway? To cast those gimp Cures? As it is there's no need to have different songs active because most jobs can take care of themselves without you. Ballad is something you'll want up if your WHM needs some MP back and that's it, same applies to Paeon. The only song you'll probably have on all the time is Requiem depending on what it actually does (I'm assuming it increases damage done but I haven't tested anything yet), Ballad and Paeon sound like situational songs due to their nature and the damage hit you receive.

[Spider-Dan]

Why would your Paladin need Ballad anyway? To cast those gimp Cures?

1.0 PLD needed Ballad for rather obvious reasons.
2.0 PLD doesn't really even have that option (unless everyone else in the party is also getting it).
Hope you weren't basing your strategy on lots of Flash!

As it is there's no need to have different songs active because most jobs can take care of themselves without you.

So... there's no need for songs? Sounds like a pretty good reason to skip BRD entirely, if true.

Ballad is something you'll want up if your WHM needs some MP back and that's it, same applies to Paeon.

I'm going to throw a wild guess out there and say that TP management will be slightly more relevant in endgame fights than when you're obliterating lowbie trash.

[Elcura]

I was supposed to say actively maintaining songs, but I even if I did you still wouldn't get it. Either way it doesn't matter.

But I'm sure you'll file this away as another example of Dan being Dan, right?

I was gonna continue, but this pretty much sums it up. It's funny, but if nothing else you've proven what a pain in the ass 1.0 BRD is to play and how you don't understand BRD in 2.0. Sure, song on, song off. An upgrade I suppose to song on.

[Izzy]

I'm worried that the stuff we complete during phase 4 is going to be sub-par to release.

For example, will they have the voice overs in phase 4? My character is being treated like a new character instead of a returning character. Will they have that fixed before phase 4?