Comments from the Devs

[Pruviant]

Take it a step further and make Asura a summon at some point too ... asking too much, I know I know

[Sephiroth]

Everything was based around this. I was just saying that making the 90 minute timer so you can keep trying with one group would be useless, if there was no lock-out. Just make it so you can walk in and out of the dungeon whenever you want, since it's unlimited anyway.

Trust me, I'm all for re-entering and trying all day, but a timer is hardly needed, especially for the reason mentioned above.

But it's not useless. You can't re-enter with the same duty finder group. With a 90 minute timer you can wipe and retry a good 10 times. Not that you'd want to keep trying with the same group that many times though.

[solracht]

He's saying they could make it so you can exit and reenter the dungeon to reset the timer (without dropping the group).

If you could do this then he would be right: the retry option would be useless since you'd have available an indirect way to retry which also resets the dungeon timer.

Reading comprehension dude. He's setting up a hypothetical scenario, not sure why you are ignoring it. Now if you were telling him they are never going to do what he's suggesting, that'd be a different matter.

[Sephiroth]

He's saying they could make it so you can exit and reenter the dungeon to reset the timer (without dropping the group).

If you could do this then he would be right: the retry option would be useless since you'd have available an indirect way to retry which also resets the dungeon timer.

Reading comprehension dude. He's setting up a hypothetical scenario, not sure why you are ignoring it. Now if you were telling him they are never going to do what he's suggesting, that'd be a different matter.

The point is, you can't just walk in and out of a dungeon with people from different servers. I know he wants this ability but implementing full cross server play where you can transport your character to any server you want and play on it (effectively what he's wanting) is a lot more difficult than simply giving you a longer timer to retry that way. Maybe they will eventually but I imagine they have more important things to work on right now. Honestly if he needs more than 90 minutes to dick around in the Ifrit arena surely he can just go back in afterwards for another 90 minutes.

[solracht]

The point is, you can't just walk in and out of a dungeon with people from different servers.

No shit, really?

He's saying "if they did what I'm suggesting, what they're implementing would be useless". You answer was "it's not useless because what you're suggesting isn't in the game"

Yea, that wasn't some epic response right there or anything. You could've told him this, however:

what he's wanting) is a lot more difficult than simply giving you a longer timer to retry that way.

EDIT: You don't necessarily need cross-server guesting to allow players to leave dungeons while staying in the party. Plenty of games allow you exit to your own server and then you can still reenter the cross-server dungeon you were in, without breaking parties. Their tech is once again, behind or weird.

[Sephiroth]

He's saying "if they did what I'm suggesting, what they're implementing would be useless". You answer was "it's not useless because what you're suggesting isn't in the game"

Yea, that wasn't some epic response right there or anything. You could've told him this, however:

Surely it goes without saying that X would be useless if they did Y instead. The entire game would be useless if they made a new game. It's a silly point to be making in the first place.

But you're right, maybe I could have worded it better.

EDIT: You don't necessarily need cross-server guesting to allow players to leave dungeons while staying in the party. Plenty of games allow you exit to your own server and then you can still reenter the cross-server dungeon you were in, without breaking parties. Their tech is once again, behind or weird.

I guess this would be a lot easier to implement than my idea. But SE love their restrictions. Gotta love how you can't enter a solo instance if you are in a party for example. The game should be able to let you enter solo without dropping party.

[Teknique]

Surely it goes without saying that X would be useless if they did Y instead. The entire game would be useless if they made a new game. It's a silly point to be making in the first place.

But you're right, maybe I could have worded it better.



I guess this would be a lot easier to implement than my idea. But SE love their restrictions. Gotta love how you can't enter a solo instance if you are in a party for example. The game should be able to let you enter solo without dropping party.

I read somewhere that during retail this would be disabled, it was only like this for the beta. You would be able to enter instances with party members and friends if you wanted. Still level capped, But with friends

[Fereydoon]

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I read somewhere that during retail this would be disabled, it was only like this for the beta. You would be able to enter instances with party members and friends if you wanted. Still level capped, But with friends

They mentioned the desire to change it, but it'd take longer then launch to do.

[Cutriss]

That's not really an issue in nearly every other MMO and all of their dungeons lack a timer.

They do have timers, you just don't always see them ticking away on the surface. There's behind-the-scenes implicit resource management going on even if you're not aware of it. This is simply making it more explicit and it really is not a problem. You're looking for a reason to complain.

[Lokus]

They do have timers, you just don't always see them ticking away on the surface. There's behind-the-scenes implicit resource management going on even if you're not aware of it. This is simply making it more explicit and it really is not a problem. You're looking for a reason to complain.

I'll use Tera as an example. I can afk in an instance all day. The only time the instance will reset is if i physically leave and start a new instance or it resets after 10 mins with no one inside. I would argue that it also limits dungeon length but they seem to be doing something different with "long" dungeons such as Bahamut's Labyrinth.

[Evane]

They are taking those who are shy or have poor communication skills into consideration. Some people would like to finish a dungeon as quick as possible while others enjoy taking their time exploring or taking cool screenshots in various spots within the dungeon just because there is no time restriction.

I for one would be pissed if I get into a group with a tank that wants to walk his dog or a healer that has to have dinner mid dungeon and the majority agrees to wait.

[Vuitton]

WoW has/had an instance limit as well. Something like you couldn't do more than 5 or 6 instances in an hour. Once you did that it would lock you out until the timer ticked away.

[Lordender]

Leviathan + Asura should be somewhere in 60+. I really, really want an Asura fight akin to FFIV. They've never re-done that fight in any subsequent FF. She hit like a brick shit house.

I love how the Bahamut fight in theory worked in FFIV. A count down, if you don't defeat him by timers end, you got fucking pwned. If only meganuke could have bypassed the wall spell though.

[arus2001]

I love how the Bahamut fight in theory worked in FFIV. A count down, if you don't defeat him by timers end, you got fucking pwned. If only meganuke could have bypassed the wall spell though.

And in modern MMO terms, it's basically a DPS check. I tend to abhor these because they're basically the foundation of the zerg mentality and usually solved by getting better gear instead of better skill/coordination. So, I guess I'm better hoping for more creative encounters with a dash of environmental interaction and tactics shifts.

[Eanae]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ARR-Tes...=1#post1064735

Hello.
This topic has certainly become widespread on the English forums, hasn’t it? This piece of information has developed into something rather complicated, so after this the rep teams for each language will make a response as necessary, but for the time being we have not announced the date for Early Access in any region. In order to prevent confusion, we would like to make this point clear.
The current status is the same as is displayed on this page:[2]
Early Access
Those who pre-order Final Fantasy 14: A Realm Reborn and register a special early-access code will be able to play FFXIV a few days prior to the official release date!
As is mentioned above.
Until we make a further announcement, please stay tuned.

Whelp...

[Obsidian]

What am I whelping here?

[Eanae]

It's been going around that early access was going to start August 20th. There was some pictures even posted in a thread here. Looking like it was a troll now.

[Foxer]

An entire week? Oof..

I'm guessing it'll be something more like 3-4 days.

[Gokulo]

It's been going around that early access was going to start August 20th. There was some pictures even posted in a thread here. Looking like it was a troll now.

Or it could have been a leak and S-E just doesn't want to officially release the information yet.

[Thiefami]

Or it could have been a leak and S-E just doesn't want to officially release the information yet.

which would make sense. They wouldn't want to find themselves over promising if they had to cut it a couple of days short just to make release date on time.