Comments from the Devs

[LD]

Lazy reskin, I wanted some Carby Lizard action.

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My man needed to be running around with some air Jordans in his tank mode.

[Spider-Dan]

Without non legacy scum this game wouldn't even exist anymore. ('-')b

Actually, this is almost literally the opposite of the truth.

Had the legacy players all done what you did (i.e. bailed) it is likely that SE would have declared XIV unsalvageable and dustbinned it.

[Foxer]

You do not speak for everyone else.

The main reason I stayed was to be part of something that rarely ever, if ever, happens in the gaming industry. It was nothing short of a treat experiencing the game trying to grow up from the failed abortion of a birth that they called release.

The majority of the ones who stayed behind, and willingly paid for the game, not only saw its potential, but have great respect for the craft that is game making.

Sorry if you don't particularly jive with that sort of thing. Have fun on your non-legacy server, paying your non-legacy subscription.

/legacy

Although both of you are right, a good portion of people simply paid because it was FF.

[Kaiyoko]

I didn't see this posted anywhere here....

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/07/...edi-mind-trick

[Eanae]

And 1.0 wasn't making enough money to stay afloat and would have eventually went under as not profitable. Even in 2012 XI had something between 5 and 10x more players than XIV.

[Charismatic]

Actually, this is almost literally the opposite of the truth.

Had the legacy players all done what you did (i.e. bailed) it is likely that SE would have declared XIV unsalvageable and dustbinned it.

Legacy master-race saved XIV!

[Spider-Dan]

And 1.0 wasn't making enough money to stay afloat and would have eventually went under as not profitable.

Based on what?

[Hioki]

Actually, this is almost literally the opposite of the truth.

Had the legacy players all done what you did (i.e. bailed) it is likely that SE would have declared XIV unsalvageable and dustbinned it.

Well, there is always a group of bad consumers(blind fanboys/girls) who don't understand the value of money and actions. Most of the legacy players don't have a good grasp of it yet.

I'm not legacy. Most of my friends are not legacy. Even if I was, I'd rather play with friends and start anew. The whole legacy thing is beyond me, why would you want to start straight at endgame?

[Eanae]

Based on the fact that it probably cost more to pay the developers than they raked in from pitiful subscription numbers? There was only probably 15-20,000 1.0 subscriptions. Even being kind and saying 50,000 subs you're spending more than double that on pay checks alone.

[Charismatic]

Well, there is always a group of bad consumers(blind fanboys/girls) who don't understand the value of money and actions. Most of the legacy players don't have a good grasp of it yet.

You just sound bitter.
The cost of legacy was minimal and people were having fun playing. I get it, you wish you had a legacy account... but you don't.

Also note that legacy players can start anew too. Or don't... and keep putting your foot in your mouth.

[miokomioko]

Lazy reskin, I wanted some Carby Lizard action.

I wanted some this glorious shit.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...cleconcept.jpg

[Spider-Dan]

Based on the fact that it probably cost more to pay the developers than they raked in from pitiful subscription numbers? There was only probably 15-20,000 1.0 subscriptions. Even being kind and saying 50,000 subs you're spending more than double that on pay checks alone.

50,000 * $10/mo *12mos = $6m

SE would have been spending $12m/year on dev pay checks to continue 1.0? Please explain.

[Foxer]

You just sound bitter.
The cost of legacy was minimal and people were having fun playing. I get it, you wish you had a legacy account... but you don't.

Also note that legacy players can start anew too. Or don't... and keep putting your foot in your mouth.

I don't think he sounds bitter. Most of the people I'm playing with are legacy players, even from the BG guild and are re-rolling on non-lagacy servers. It's actually not that mind boggling.

BTW, what was the sub price back then and is there a discount for being a legacy player now?

[solracht]

I wanted some this glorious shit.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...cleconcept.jpg

Now I miss the multiplayer FFCCs

[Raldo]

BTW, what was the sub price back then and is there a discount for being a legacy player now?

Sub price, when they finally started charging, was $10/mo (+$3 per extra character). The discount for legacy status is that you pay $10/mo, and you get the same thing that a new player paying $15/mo would get (note that non-legacy can get the $15/mo deal for as low as $13?/mo if you pay in bulk).

Legacy Pricing: http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...gn.html#legacy
2.0 Pricing: http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/product/

[Eanae]

50,000 * $10/mo *12mos = $6m

SE would have been spending $12m/year on dev pay checks to continue 1.0? Please explain.

Eh, shit. Fucked my math up. Still pretty much just breaking even. SE devs aren't cheap I'd imagine either. They're probably all making 150k+ USD a year. And I imagine they have a team of between 20 and 30 including everyone at the minimum.

[Hioki]

You just sound bitter.
The cost of legacy was minimal and people were having fun playing. I get it, you wish you had a legacy account... but you don't.

Also note that legacy players can start anew too. Or don't... and keep putting your foot in your mouth.

The whole legacy thing is beyond me, why would you want to start straight at endgame?

You didn't get to this part. Also lollegacy. If you could just start anew and had no attachments(beaten wife syndrome), why bother being legacy in the first place? Like I said, legacy or not, I don't really care and I would just play with my friends on a fresh server, starting over. No legacy player should be ~special~ about making a bad consumer decision. Next time, realize that money speaks, stop supporting bad development and maybe we'll end up with more ARR's and less 1.0's.

[Charismatic]

BTW, what was the sub price back then and is there a discount for being a legacy player now?

There were multiple billing plans, the monthly option was the same as an FFXI account I think and there was a cheaper plan for 3mo blocks and I think it came out to about $10 per month.
And yes, legacy players do get a discount for the life of their account with ARR.

[Spider-Dan]

I'm not legacy. Most of my friends are not legacy. Even if I was, I'd rather play with friends and start anew. The whole legacy thing is beyond me, why would you want to start straight at endgame?

Even if I did wanted to restart at the bottom, I'd be rerolling on a legacy server, just because I'd want to be on a server with a stable economy and pre-existing demand for materials.

[Charismatic]

You didn't get to this part. Also lollegacy. If you could just start anew and had no attachments(beaten wife syndrome), why bother being legacy in the first place? Like I said legacy or not, don't really care. No legacy player should be ~special~ about making a bad consumer decision. Next time, realize that money speaks, stop supporting bad development and maybe we'll end up with more ARR's and less 1.0's.

What in the world are you talking about? ARR was already being made by the time they charged a single cent in sub fees.

Also.. this:

Even if I did wanted to restart at the bottom, I'd be rerolling on a legacy server, just because I'd want to be on a server with a stable economy and pre-existing demand for materials.