Comments from the Devs

[solracht]

THM never needed Cleric's Stance to begin with (and it caused a lot of people to think they could put their points into mind even though BLM couldn't use Cleric's Stance >.>), but ACN not getting it is kinda weird.

The two bolded sentences can't go hand-in-hand. If you acknowledge Cleric's Stance as "not being needed by THM" then you have to do the same for ACN. Both are magic DD classes based on INT.

Either way, SCH is "breaking" a lot of rules (or rather, creating new ones). I mean, look at gear - the gear distribution is sort of "weird" too: CNJ WHM SCH are grouped together in a lot of pieces, and SCH can't use a lot of ACN SMN gear. Seeing so many SCH-only books (that ACN cannot use) is also somewhat unexpected.

I see Cleric's Stance as being a skill "for healers". I imagine it won't be the last skill where they use a specific rule like this.

The skill and gear changes certainly open a lot of options for second jobs, I guess.

[Niiro]

Precisely. In B3 I dumped all my points into MND and would have used THM as a bootleg RDM.

You would have wound up as a crappy.....everything.

Changing your INT to effect healing magic doesn't mean much when your healing magic is nerfed -20% anyway.

Nvm not having AoE heals or status cures, or anything stronger than Cure 1.

[Ratatapa]

You would have wound up as a crappy.....everything.

Changing your INT to effect healing magic doesn't mean much when your healing magic is nerfed -20% anyway.

Nvm not having AoE heals or status cures, or anything stronger than Cure 1.

If it wasn't for the 20% Healing nerf, I wouldve put all my ACN points in INT (due to nukes) and just use cleric on SCH

But yeah ...

[Scythiroth]

@solracht

That is true, it just seems weird for Scholar to get it in that case. But yeah, new job with different things going on. Still confused about how to do attribute points for Arcanist since it seems like Scholar and Summoner would be using different stats entirely and was hoping Cleric's Stance would be the solution to that.

[solracht]

@solracht

That is true, it just seems weird for Scholar to get it in that case. But yeah, new job with different things going on. Still confused about how to do attribute points for Arcanist since it seems like Scholar and Summoner would be using different stats entirely and was hoping Cleric's Stance would be the solution to that.

TBH, I'm expecting SCH to get its own point allotment. Like I said above, they've shown via gear that they are willing to bend the current rules of the system to make room for these second jobs. They might do that for point allotment too.

[Spider-Dan]

You would have wound up as a crappy.....everything.

Changing your INT to effect healing magic doesn't mean much when your healing magic is nerfed -20% anyway.

Why would healing magic be nerfed 20%? Dump points in MND, wear MND gear, turn Cleric on to cast nukes, turn it off to heal.

That being said:

Nvm not having AoE heals or status cures, or anything stronger than Cure 1.

Yes, it would still mostly suck due to the above. But then again, THM itself is almost-entirely-useless in a world with BLM, so my goal was to make it more different and less uselessly redundant.

Not that I would use it that much anyway (and with ACN+jobs inbound, even that small niche is rapidly diminishing).

[Ratatapa]

Why would healing magic be nerfed 20%? Dump points in MND, wear MND gear, turn Cleric on to cast nukes, turn it off to heal.

That being said:

Yes, it would still mostly suck due to the above. But then again, THM itself is almost-entirely-useless in a world with BLM, so my goal was to make it more different and less uselessly redundant.

Not that I would use it that much anyway (and with ACN+jobs inbound, even that small niche is rapidly diminishing).

Can't use Cleric as SMN

[Niiro]

Why would healing magic be nerfed 20%?

Because that's what cleric stance does?

Look at the description.

[Spider-Dan]

Because that's what cleric stance does?

Look at the description.

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Why would healing magic be nerfed 20%? Dump points in MND, wear MND gear, turn Cleric on to cast nukes, turn it off to heal.

[Ratatapa]

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SMN and ACN CANT USE CLERIC

And i'm talking about your idea to put all points in MND

[Niiro]

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edit: oh nvm I see what you were saying, but people thought this all out with THM already anyway.

[miokomioko]

I see a lot of confusion regarding that ability and I think that it is because most people associate "cleric" simply with "healer" when the ability's name is actually referencing the fact that a "cleric," in the context of more classic RPG archetypes, is a fighter/healer hybrid.

[Deadgye]

Holy fuck he was going to heal with cleric stance off, therefore using mind and nuke with cleric stance on, therefore using mind.

[solracht]

This page has been glorious, keep it up, might hit Retard-Extreme levels

[Ratatapa]

Why would you dump points into MND if you're going to use Cleric Stance, which causes your healing magic to be based off of your INT.

It doesn'T unless i misunderstood your point

Exemple you have 330 INT and 220 MND

You use cleric

You will have 220 INT and 330MND

USe it again

330 INT and 220MND

[Evane]

Cleric Stance swaps your INT & MND values. I don't think that's a hard concept to grasp.

[solracht]

Cleric Stance swaps your INT & MND values. I don't think that's a hard concept to grasp.

SUMMONER AND ARCANIST CAN'T USE CLERIC STANCE

[Ratatapa]

SUMMONER AND ARCANIST CAN'T USE CLERIC STANCE

YEAH!!!


/hides

[Spider-Dan]

Why would you dump points into MND if you're going to use Cleric Stance, which causes your healing magic to be based off of your INT.

Description:

Swaps current INT and MND attribute ratings, while increasing potency of attack spells by 10% and reducing potency of healing spells by 20%. Effect ends upon reuse.

So then:

- dump points and gear into MND
- use extra MND to improve healing potency
- time to nuke? turn on Cleric, MND and INT are swapped, 10% "MATK" bonus puts you in the same ballpark as a normal INT THM (without Cleric)

Of course, if the datmines are accurate, then none of this works anymore so it's a moot point.

edit: might work on SCH I guess? not sure if SCH would have a reason to nuke

[Niiro]

Yeesh.