Organization Thread

[Byrthnoth]

Rumor has it the people running wiki are attempting to migrate to here. Currently it's essentially a mirror of the wikia site.

This adds to the confusion, and I'm not sure it will work, but ffxiah now links to this site instead of wikia.

[Yugl]

I won't lie; from what I've seen, that one kicks the crap out of the old one. That said, I would like your opinions on the format I posted earlier (Assuming this new wiki becomes the real deal). It would also be nice if people willing to edit BG-Wiki were willing to PM me.

[Masamune]

Honestly i was more thinking about the BG-wiki. Reason more is that this Mathy Parts Thread is on ..... a BG forum XD.

On other hand, like Yugl said, it boils down to how lazy testers are to post their findings to make wiki's discussion pages properly updated with data and/or links. Direct Result: BG-wiki being much less frequented than the wikia, it became kinda abandoned in profit of the ffxiclopedia.org ? (hope i'm wrong, im saying this just based on a LOT of pages far outdated or no info at all compared to wikia's).... Then wikipedia became so "fat" i (and probably other ppl) can't edit properly pages and most importantly discussion ones without freezing browser... (too much adds? scripts? whatever shit is running on it, it sux)
Going back on BG-wiki ? or checking this new wiki baby (mentioned in above posts) having enough frequentation to warrant testers posting/updating ?

In all cases, this Mathy Parts thread is perfect to complement those wikis failures. (besides some minor stuff lol)

EDIT: just went to the link Byrthnoth posted, discovered all pages have No discussion pages...
That means if they intend to "transfer" old wikia content to new one, WITHOUT the discussion pages(where all data and tests are posted) => all those years of testing = bye bye ?? reason more to stay here @ BG forum then...

[Byrthnoth]

I began to dick around on the BG wiki, and again I realized how much is simply missing. There's no page for Tactical Points. The Haste page looks like it was written before BG wiki came into being, etc.

I'm going around filling in Dancer stuff, but I'm afraid that my edits are combining to create a massive formatting error that will deliver the death blow. For instance, what would be the proper way to format this page?
https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Reverse_Flourish

If we are to undertake this, for things like Reverse Flourish above, would it be proper to include extra fields like "Volatile Enmity" and "Cumulative Enmity"?

[Yugl]

I began to dick around on the BG wiki, and again I realized how much is simply missing. There's no page for Tactical Points. The Haste page looks like it was written before BG wiki came into being, etc.

I'm going around filling in Dancer stuff, but I'm afraid that my edits are combining to create a massive formatting error that will deliver the death blow. For instance, what would be the proper way to format this page?
https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Reverse_Flourish

If we are to undertake this, for things like Reverse Flourish above, would it be proper to include extra fields like "Volatile Enmity" and "Cumulative Enmity"?

I would definitely add the enmity stuff. Unfortunately, I am unfamiliar with DNC, so I can't give input for anything else. For an ability like jump, I would put:

Name
Level Learned
Mechanics
Enmity
Recast
Cast
(Probably whatever information is found in resources)
Then notes for the ability such as items pertaining to the ability

To the right side (Or somewhere), a Table of Contents perhaps. It would have the name of various tests involving the entity in question and a link to the subsequent post.

[Yugl]

Well, we have a big-old wiki here that would love to get some math on it. I am not really a mathologist, so I have to trust other people to do that sort of thing.

We could make a Math category on the wiki, or if there is enough interest, a custom namespace specifically for math, so that you could make specific pages like Math:Critical_Hits, Math:Dancing_Edge, or Math:Haste. This way people could suss out the details, then added to the major page when it is ready.

Any thoughts?

How do you guys feel about using this? Perhaps we can link it with posts as well? BG-Wiki is looking much better for accomplishing what we need.

[Byrthnoth]

I'm down! Realistically, many of the things we discuss and the associated mathematical minutae are beyond the scope of the average FFXI player's interest. I'm not sure anything is lost by confining it to BG wiki.

The wiki-editting community is set to fragment anyway. We might as well steal the splinter that cares about math if we can.

[Yugl]

I added the headspace for Math and Math_talk. (Math_talk is automatically generated when a page is added to the math headspace.)

I assume that means thread here = Thread in math_talk section.

[Masamune]

Excellent idea there Septimus !

I'm totally with it (Can we use table formatting on BG-wiki at least ?)

[Yugl]

You should PM him about that since he doesn't check forums much.

[Septimus]

Tables work a little differently on a wiki than it does anywhere else.

For example, if I want to make a 2 by 2 table 200 pixles wide with a border, it would look like this in wiki code:

{| border=1 width="200px"
|-
| Cell 1
| Cell 2
|-
| Cell 3
| Cell 4
|-
|}

The output will look like this:
<table width="200px" border="1"><tbody><tr><td>Cell 1 </td><td> Cell 2 </td></tr> <tr> <td> Cell 3 </td><td> Cell 4 </td></tr></tbody></table>
You can do all sorts of fancy things with tables in wiki code, if you would like to know more, send me a PM. If enough people are interested, I will write a tutorial.

[The Blackrose]

As an aside from what Sept posted, I know I have some additional free time these days. So if someone needs some work transcribed onto Wiki, I have no problems doing so. Just PM what you need.

[Byrthnoth]

Ask and you shall receive! I will PM you with two options, tell me which you'd prefer!

[The Blackrose]

As an FYI,

Byrthnoth mentioned how the current tables look like ass for Atma display, so I built a new set of templates. I'll be reworking other KI templates and trying to get the other Atma templates converted in the meantime. Copy from existing Atma entries if you need to build new pages. A good one would be Griffon's Claw: https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Atma_of_the_Griffon%27s_Claw

A few notes:
While skills and NPC names can be linked, they don't have to be linked explicitly by default. The templates have code built in to find appropriate pages if they exist. I need to carry this over to zones eventually. Partial matches, such as Affinity, or different page names (Damage Taken) need to be linked explicitly though.
Red exclamation point image is [[image:Weakness_red.png]]

[Byrthnoth]

As an FYI,

Byrthnoth mentioned how the current tables look like ass for Atma display, so I built a new set of templates. I'll be reworking other KI templates and trying to get the other Atma templates converted in the meantime. Copy from existing Atma entries if you need to build new pages. A good one would be Griffon's Claw: https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Atma_of_the_Griffon%27s_Claw

A few notes:
While skills and NPC names can be linked, they don't have to be linked explicitly by default. The templates have code built in to find appropriate pages if they exist. I need to carry this over to zones eventually. Partial matches, such as Affinity, or different page names (Damage Taken) need to be linked explicitly though.
Red exclamation point image is [[image:Weakness_red.png]]

So wait, the templates will auto-link pages as long as the name is right? Is it case sensitive?

[The Blackrose]

So wait, the templates will auto-link pages as long as the name is right? Is it case sensitive?

Yes, as long as the name is correct. Have not tried case sensitivity yet. Probably can on the next one I convert.

EDIT: Nope, not case sensitive.

To be more specific, it has to be the whole word. So for example, "Double Attack" works, but Wind Affinity will not point to Affinity.

[Byrthnoth]

Is this applied only when the page is saved, or is it continuously updated as new pages that match phrases are made?

As in, if a page is created with a name that matches a phrase on the page after the last time the page is saved, will it become a link?

Also, what do you think of this?

[The Blackrose]

Is this applied only when the page is saved, or is it continuously updated as new pages that match phrases are made?

As in, if a page is created with a name that matches a phrase on the page after the last time the page is saved, will it become a link?

Also, what do you think of this?

It's applied at the time the page is accessed. It's part of the template coding. For example, in the part of the template that builds acquisition rows:

<includeonly>|- align="center" v-align="top"
|style="background=#FFFFFF;" width="40%"|{{#ifexist: {{{name}}} | [[{{{name}}}]] | {{{name}}} }}
|style="background=#FFFFFF;" width="40%"|{{#ifexist: {{{zone}}} | [[{{{zone}}}]] | {{{zone}}} }}
|style="background=#FFFFFF;" width="20%"|{{{condition}}}</includeonly>

That #ifexist handles the page link. When the markup is interpreted, the link is inserted.

As for your tables, that's not bad. Try not to do full table widths based on % though. Try to keep it nnnpx based, otherwise it looks awkward on wide screen monitors.

[Byrthnoth]

As for your tables, that's not bad. Try not to do full table widths based on % though. Try to keep it nnnpx based, otherwise it looks awkward on wide screen monitors.

Okay, I was wondering about that. I took the tables pretty directly from the Abjuration page for consistency, but I agree that pure pixel count is safer.

[Yugl]

Is there any way for the template to show ZoneTexthere or DescriptionTextHere so we know where to type the information?