GE pays no taxes, receives tax bonuses, ships jobs overseas, and its CEO is into job creation

[Rhinox]

I've been disappointed with Obama since he refused to fight for the public option and double down on two wars


Did I mention extraordinary rendition, torture and gitmo still happening?

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[Olo401]

Evidently not. Dem's want to keep spending. Right-wingers don't.

Wrong. Republicans absolutely want to spend money on tax cuts for billionaires, useless defense projects like SDI and the unending wars that they started (and to be fair that Dems stupidly continue to support en masse), & various forms of class/race/gender warfare and the legal fees that they entail which get charged back to the taxpayers.

And right, Dems do want to spend money, but they want to do it in ways that actually work economically and increase revenue - such as creating a few hundred thousand jobs to repair 60 years worth of rotting bridges, roads and railroads across the country; or upgrading the power grid so that it's ready to accept the wind & solar power that's currently being pushed.

[Demosthenes11]

What Dem has ever advocated freezing spending? We need to spend spend spend to stimulate the economy. And what you're bitching about is such a miniscule portion. So again, what is accomplished by big corp's paying more in taxes? A balanced budget isn't gonna happen.

what? $9 billion per month + $6.7 billion per month = $15.7 billion per month. let's multiply that by 12 so we get $188.4 billion per year. Let's add in Israel subsidies, about $15 billion per year, close corporate loopholes (another cool $100 billion). Wow, we are suddenly spending $300 billion less per year. Why, if we cut off some other programs (oil subsidies) and close some of our military operations around the world as well, we can save between $350-400 billion per year. Let's remove the cost of having our troops home, and say we are saving only $200 billion per year. Fantastic, we will close our deficit within 30 years.

[Demosthenes11]

That's an exaggeration and you're needlessly focusing on Obama because you and Rhinox have been very angry with him as of late. The most important thing here is lobbying and the revolving door between the private and public sector.

Obama appoints these people, and he was supposed to be the man that ends corporate influence and stands up for americans. This is him failing on his biggest promise. I really don't think this is about lobbying - I think that's a fair assessment for other presidents. This is the one we appointed that would be above it. Instead, he buys right into it and fucks us right in front of our eyes. Naive liberals (oh god there are way too many) think they have done their job by electing this man and he is trusted to do what he said he would. Instead of being angry with him when expectations are not met, obamabots become apologetics and excuse his actions for whatever reason. the baby steps he did make should have been leaps, but because progress has now been made in those sectors, the public thinks everything is great. that attitude will fuck our country for a few decades. Just enough change to make people look the other way.

[Kuya]

Obama appoints these people, and he was supposed to be the man that ends corporate influence and stands up for americans. This is him failing on his biggest promise. I really don't think this is about lobbying - I think that's a fair assessment for other presidents. This is the one we appointed that would be above it. Instead, he buys right into it and fucks us right in front of our eyes. Naive liberals (oh god there are way too many) think they have done their job by electing this man and he is trusted to do what he said he would. Instead of being angry with him when expectations are not met, obamabots become apologetics and excuse his actions for whatever reason. the baby steps he did make should have been leaps, but because progress has now been made in those sectors, the public thinks everything is great. that attitude will fuck our country for a few decades. Just enough change to make people look the other way.

You're just venting though. The people who should know that Obama is beltway wisdom run of the mill centrist already know this. Most of the people on this forum seem disappointed with him too, and there are very few Obamabots. The only real complaint you can only on this forum is that, rather than focusing on Obama and the Democrat's failures, they focus on Fox News and how outrageous the republicans are. It's like they're watching reality tv.

But you're not really changing anyone's mind because there's not much to change. People know he is a disappointment, at least on this forum, they just don't talk about it often, and the obamabots aren't going to listen to you.

[Demosthenes11]

same could be said for anything, really, including this thread. people have their mind made up and nobody will change it. I think that's rubbish.

[Alarial]

Can someone reference me to some liberal sites that are happy with his actions on the things we're discussing? (Libya, Gitmo, Corporate sponsoring, etc). I keep hearing responses about "Obamabots" but I haven't seen many (or any actually, though there has to be some). It seems to me that the one quality I like about Dem/Liberals is they never hesitate to eat each other if they disagree, rather than collectively support each other regardless of the absurdities (worst and best part of Dem party).

[Demosthenes11]

Can someone reference me to some liberal sites that are happy with his actions on the things we're discussing? (Libya, Gitmo, Corporate sponsoring, etc). I keep hearing responses about "Obamabots" but I haven't seen many (or any actually, though there has to be some). It seems to me that the one quality I like about Dem/Liberals is they never hesitate to eat each other if they disagree, rather than collectively support each other regardless of the absurdities (worst and best part of Dem party).

it's not about authors, it's about the electorate. There are very few sites that say he is doing a good job, but then you read the comments and you see normal people and it's nothing but excuses or pure ignorance.

[archibaldcrane]

The steps that need to be taken for actual progress and positive benefit are far too numerous to lay the fault at the feet of one man.

Still, appointing the GE guy and praising him like that is definitely a step in the wrong direction. Obama is playing his role as "another part of the problem" when it comes to corporate influence and wealth disparity - the greatest problem in modern America.

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[Talus]

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[Melchiah]

Leona Helmsley

[aurik]

Wrong. Republicans absolutely want to spend money on tax cuts for billionaires

It's not spending money, it's cutting taxes! Totally different!

[Kuya]

same could be said for anything, really, including this thread. people have their mind made up and nobody will change it. I think that's rubbish.

The purpose of this particular thread isn't to change anyone's mind, and i don't think it's impossible to change people's minds. What i am saying is, the people you are criticizing aren't here.

[Demosthenes11]

The purpose of this particular thread isn't to change anyone's mind, and i don't think it's impossible to change people's minds. What i am saying is, the people you are criticizing aren't here.

fair enough. you should check out my facebook from yesterday. dear sweet jesus

[SwampdonkeyPLD]

what? $9 billion per month + $6.7 billion per month = $15.7 billion per month. let's multiply that by 12 so we get $188.4 billion per year. Let's add in Israel subsidies, about $15 billion per year, close corporate loopholes (another cool $100 billion). Wow, we are suddenly spending $300 billion less per year. Why, if we cut off some other programs (oil subsidies) and close some of our military operations around the world as well, we can save between $350-400 billion per year. Let's remove the cost of having our troops home, and say we are saving only $200 billion per year. Fantastic, we will close our deficit within 30 years.

Yet, spending keeps going up. So again, you delay the inevitable for a couple years, and after that, what have you accomplished? Nothing.

[Yugl]

Funny you mention this.. they actually changed their mind as a result of the earthquake/tsunami. They kinda realized that they might need the extra revenue, and Japanese corporations will gladly pay it out of a sense of duty to their countrymen & country. It's just the way their society works.

If they are glad, it's more likely because of the close relation between the government and corporation in Japan. It's ironic how we criticize the American government for its close relations with corporations, but never say anything about Japan's relation, which is much stronger than the US's relation.

Edit: Also, there was a study done that showed people had misconceptions about some very basic things such as whether spending in certain areas increased or which party introduced X bill if you wish to see it.

[kuronosan]

Yet, spending keeps going up. So again, you delay the inevitable for a couple years, and after that, what have you accomplished? Nothing.

I'd love to see the troll response that proves you've extrapolated spending continuing to rise when cuts are clearly made in his post which illustrate reduced spending.

And yes, I'm one of the Obama voters currently disappointed in his lack of show. There are some key things he has accomplished that he should be proud of, but it's not enough. Not by a longshot.

Funny you mention this.. they actually changed their mind as a result of the earthquake/tsunami. They kinda realized that they might need the extra revenue, and Japanese corporations will gladly pay it out of a sense of duty to their countrymen & country. It's just the way their society works.

Because in Japan they all understand that in order to prosper and be better they actually have to give a shit about their fellow countrymen. Here in America, it's all about self-gain and these companies know it. They donate money for tax write-offs, not because they care.

[Demosthenes11]

Yet, defense spending keeps going up.

You're right. It needs to stop.

[Kuya]

If they are glad, it's more likely because of the close relation between the government and corporation in Japan. It's ironic how we criticize the American government for its close relations with corporations, but never say anything about Japan's relation, which is much stronger than the US's relation.

Edit: Also, there was a study done that showed people had misconceptions about some very basic things such as whether spending in certain areas increased or which party introduced X bill if you wish to see it.

You're obfuscating. The relationship between the Japanese government and the private sector has a different dynamic than policy in the US. When people say the US gov is close to coporations, they're implying that the government does things to benefit corporations over the rest of society. Meanwhile, when someone says the private sector and the japanese gov are close, they are probably talking about control economy.

[archibaldcrane]

Yet, spending keeps going up. So again, you delay the inevitable for a couple years, and after that, what have you accomplished? Nothing.

What's "the inevitable"? Spending should rise as tax revenue rises from greater population and economic growth. Military spending is a GIANT piece of the federal budget. If we knock a big chunk out of that, and keep it knocked out, it goes a long way towards balancing the budget. This rinky-dink cutting of Planned Parenthood and what not is the drop in the bucket meaningless "cutting" that should be criticized.

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