2011 MLB Season Discussion: Joey Votto MVP Edition

[Demosthenes11]

poor andy tracy

dude is probably wtf'ing

[archibaldcrane]

poor andy tracy

dude is probably wtf'ing

I bet he plays short better than Yuni B.

[Demosthenes11]

I bet he hits better than every giant

ftfy

[Conrad]

ftfy

A LIST OF PLAYERS BATTING AT 0.0 WAR OR WORSE ON THE 2011 GIANTS (minimum 40 PA) (PA, WAR total):
Carlos Beltran (76, 0.0)
Tim Lincecum (62, 0.0)
Miguel Tejada (343, -0.1)
Jeff Keppinger (142, -0.1)
Matt Cain (64, -0.1)
Brandon Crawford (172, -0.1)
Manny Burriss (144, -0.1)
Mark DeRosa (57, -0.4)
Orlando Cabrera (94, -0.5)
Bill Hall (41, -0.6)
Aubrey Huff (529, -0.9)

PLAYERS WITH AT LEAST 2.0 WAR, LEAGUE AVERAGE, ON THE 2011 GIANTS:
Pablo Sandoval (379, 3.7)

...And that's it

[Demosthenes11]

welcome to our season

[Conrad]

For what it's worth, the Phillies have the worst batter in the majors not named Adam Dunn this year

[Eliseos]

I bet he plays short better than Yuni B.

His attempt at a bunt last night was terrible.

[Francisco]

Carl Crawford has a robust 0.2 WAR... surprised it's that low, even despite his horrendous OBP, poor SLG and pedestrian BA - still has a lot more SB (17) than most guys and a hand full of HR (10) and triples (5)... between him and Lackey - it has to be the worst production out of that much money ever...

I'm a bit shocked Saltalamacchia is only 1.2 also... he doesn't have eye-popping stats, but for a catcher he's been pretty good offensively and defensively, aside from a putrid first few weeks. Guessing that's diminished greatly by his split playing time with Varitek.

[Melena]

A LIST OF PLAYERS BATTING AT 0.0 WAR OR WORSE ON THE 2011 GIANTS (minimum 40 PA) (PA, WAR total):
Carlos Beltran (76, 0.0)
Tim Lincecum (62, 0.0)
Miguel Tejada (343, -0.1)
Jeff Keppinger (142, -0.1)
Matt Cain (64, -0.1)
Brandon Crawford (172, -0.1)
Manny Burriss (144, -0.1)
Mark DeRosa (57, -0.4)
Orlando Cabrera (94, -0.5)
Bill Hall (41, -0.6)
Aubrey Huff (529, -0.9)

PLAYERS WITH AT LEAST 2.0 WAR, LEAGUE AVERAGE, ON THE 2011 GIANTS:
Pablo Sandoval (379, 3.7)

...And that's it

Not really fair to include our pitchers on there. And why isn't posey on the list, he had at least 40 PA's before his ankle got forcibly re-arranged.

[archibaldcrane]

Not really fair to include our pitchers on there. And why isn't posey on the list, he had at least 40 PA's before his ankle got forcibly re-arranged.

Posey wasn't above 2.0 for his abbreviated season nor below 0.0 - why would he be on the list?

[Conrad]

I just did 40 minimum PA, so I didn't include people like Zito (14, -0.1). Cliff Lee has something like 0.7 last I checked so there's no reason pitchers wouldn't be just as accountable for hitting. (edit: he does have 0.7 -- 64 plate appearances.)

And Posey had 1.6 WAR in 185 PA, lol

[archibaldcrane]

And Posey had 1.6 WAR in 185 PA, lol

Not sure why that's lol - that's plenty good. WAR is a cumulative stat, not an average one - the more you play, the more WAR you can accumulate.

[fren.]

One thing I never understood about WAR (wins above replacement player), what exactly is "replacement player" statistically speaking.

I've garnered that replacement level is slightly below average at best...

WAR is flawed as fuck. See: Jacoby Ellsbury vs. Curtis Granderson/Pedroia vs. Cano/etc.

[Demosthenes11]

WAR is flawed as fuck. See: Jacoby Ellsbury vs. Curtis Granderson

are you joking? not sure if serious

[archibaldcrane]

Greinke vs. Greinke.

0.9 WAR on Baseball Reference, 3.2 WAR on Fangraphs.

[Rhinox]

WAR is flawed as fuck. See: Jacoby Ellsbury vs. Curtis Granderson/Pedroia vs. Cano/etc.

http://giving-chase.com/2011/08/07/b...you-are-wrong/

[Cephius]

Derek Lowe home run, Aki not allowed to bitch about him for a week

[Conrad]

Not sure why that's lol - that's plenty good. WAR is a cumulative stat, not an average one - the more you play, the more WAR you can accumulate.

lol because he was the best hitter and now the giants...well.

[Moss]

Derek Lowe home run, Aki not allowed to bitch about him for a week

that's like telling the sun not to rise

[Moss]

Also as someone who picked him up in fantasy

In 134 at-bats since they brought him up on July 23, he’s gone .351/.439/.634 with 8 homers, 14 steals and a WAR of WTF. Sometime over the next week, Jennings could pass Carl Crawford in steals, homers and walks while also having a higher slugging percentage than Crawford’s OPS

Desmond Jennings is a fucking beast