2011 MLB Season Discussion: Joey Votto MVP Edition

[Headspace]

phillies suck bro

I wub u

K-ROLD

[Conrad]

You would think after reading this thread that the Phillies were a last place team.

Have you ever met a Phillies fan?

[pohibaba]

Since the Fantasy thread died, I'll post this here.

I'm looking to trade an outfielder or three (and maybe a starting pitcher) for some middle infield and corner players. These are the outfielders I have:

Carl Crawford, Bos
Chris Young, Ari
Carlos Quentin, CWS
Melky Cabrera, KC
Matt Joyce, TB
Michael Brantley, Cle
Luke Scott, Bal
Josh Willingham, Oak

The pitchers I'm willing to give up:

Max Scherzer
Ricky Nolasco
A.J. Burnett
Zach Britton

Obviously, the better player you want from me, the better player I better get in return. Feel free to e-mail or PM me here any trade requests.

Edit: This is for the BG Fantasy League, if that wasn't clear.

[*Shinzon*]

If my pitching hadn't folded last couple of weeks I might have considered it. As of now I can't really afford to move anyone.

Also what fucking producer thinks its a good idea to have Joe Buck call a game. Especially when it sounds like he's got fucking marbles in his mouth.

[Headspace]

Hey Dusty Baker,

stop batting sub .200 hitters in front of Joey Votto. 5-57 from the 2 hole in the past sixteen games.

[fren.]

Posada was called out on strikes on a ball that hit the ground. Literally.

[Soa]

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Chase Utley finally returns tomorrow thank God. Also I just got back from a convention up in north Jersey, and wtf is with there being like no left turns allowed up there anywhere? Seriously having to make almost every turn from the right side is completely fucktarded.

[Bregor]

north Jersey . . . completely fucktarded.

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[pohibaba]

Giants have won 5 in a row now. First place in the West by 3.5 games, second best record in the National League, third in all of baseball. This season is starting to look pretty magical again.

[Demosthenes11]

Giants have won 5 in a row now. First place in the West by 3.5 games, second best record in the National League, third in all of baseball. This season is starting to look pretty magical again.

11-0 in 1 run games at home

[archibaldcrane]

Did they win a game 3-1 with only 2 hits?

Yeah, that's Braun-level epic. Dont be jelly.

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[*Shinzon*]

HOLY SHIT, Fred Wilpon is insane. He's fucking lost it. The man has absolutely lost his mind. Here are some quotes taken from an article written in the New Yorker

• Shortstop Jose Reyes will not be getting a super-huge contract from the Mets. "He thinks he's going to get Carl Crawford money," Wilpon says, referring to Crawford's seven-year, $142 million contract with the Boston Red Sox. "He's had everything wrong with him. He won't get it."

• On right fielder Carlos Beltran, Wilpon mentions Beltran's huge postseason with the Houston Astros in 2004 and says, referring to himself: "We had some schmuck in New York who paid him based on that one series. He's 65 to 70 percent of what he was."

• About David Wright: "Really good kid. A very good player. Not a superstar."

Really Wilpon? Really? And you expect people to come to your games and buy shit? If the Mets weren't playing decent lately I don't see how he'd get away with saying this garbage. How the fuck can you say that shit about 2 faces of the franchise. The homegrown players that the fans adore? My god.

[archibaldcrane]

So you're mad at him for being right about stuff? I'd much rather hear that than stuff like "Yuniesky Betancourt is an underrated offensive player" like I hear from the Brewers front office.

[*Shinzon*]

Right about what? If they keep treating Jose Reyes like shit after he's told them a million times he wants to stay in NY, and would probably take a hometown discount, he's gonna get that kind of contract in the FA market. He plays a premium position unlike crawford and despite his injuries will probably get that kind of contract because of how weak most teams are at the SS position, not to mention he's having a career year now that he's healthy. Beltran's contract is ridiculous to bring up because if the mets didn't give it to him someone else would have. Making the comments about Wright is just ridiculous because he's under control for 2 more years and despite not being a "superstar" is an above average 3B and a guy who has only been on the disabled list twice in his career and is a clubhouse leader and a consistent rbi guy. It's silly there's no point. Beltran's contract ok maybe in hindsight, but wright and reyes? really?

[Moss]

Management doesn't need to be calling out anyone publicly, period. Comparing Wright, Reyes, and Beltran to Yuniesky Betancourt is extremely silly.

[*Shinzon*]

Here's some more from that piece

Fred Wilpon On Reyes, Wright, Beltran
By Tim Dierkes [May 23 at 7:29am CST]

Jeffrey Toobin of The New Yorker has penned a must-read article about Mets owner Fred Wilpon, although at almost 11,000 words you may have to save it for your lunch break. Toobin spent significant time with Wilpon, and also conversed with Bernie Madoff. The article serves as a great primer on Wilpon's rise. A few items within MLBTR's realm:

Wilpon on Jose Reyes on April 20th:

"He thinks he’s going to get Carl Crawford money. He’s had everything wrong with him. He won’t get it."

MLBTR's take: We've heard the rumor that Reyes could seek a contract in the seven-year, $142MM range, but it gains credibility coming from the Mets' owner. While it's rare to hear this kind of blunt honesty from a team owner, there's nothing surprising here. Reyes may have raised his stock beyond Crawford's in the month since Wilpon's quote, and a Mets extension has seemed unlikely for some time.

Wilpon on David Wright on April 20th:

"He’s pressing. A really good kid. A very good player. Not a superstar."

MLBTR's take: Again, there are plenty of people who consider Wright less than a superstar at this stage in his career, but now we can count the Mets' owner among them. Since Wright can be under team control through 2013, there's not much reason to consider an extension right now anyway.

Wilpon on Carlos Beltran:

"We had some schmuck in New York who paid him based on that one series [his 2004 postseason with the Astros]. He’s sixty-five to seventy per cent of what he was."

Toobin notes that Wilpon was referring to himself in this quote. I imagine most GMs agree that Beltran is 65-70% of what he was, especially since he's playing right field rather than center. But Wilpon's comment doesn't exactly boost Beltran's trade value.

Wilpon on Ike Davis and the Mets in general on April 20th:

"Good hitter. Shitty team—good hitter."

MLBTR's take: I just thought this was a funny quote coming from Wilpon.

Bernie Madoff on Fred Wilpon and Saul Katz:

"He must feel that I betrayed him, as do most of my friends who were involved. Hopefully, they will understand the pressures I was under. I made money for them legitimately to start, but then I got trapped and was not able to work my way out of it. It just became impossible for me to extricate myself, or even try and extricate myself...Fred and Saul were only guilty of trusting their friend and I will live with that guilt and shame forever."

Toobin feels "there are many levels of self-delusion" in this quote, but it is "relevant evidence" as Irving Picard attempts to prove that Wilpon and his associates just looked the other way in Madoff's Ponzi scheme.

Fred Wilpon on investing money with Madoff:

"We certainly wouldn’t have had five hundred and fifty million dollars invested in something that’s a Ponzi scheme, when you know it can only evaporate at some point. We didn’t know."

For me, this is hard to argue. Toobin notes that as the Mets' risks in the Picard lawsuit far outweigh Picard's, "some kind of settlement seems likely, if not inevitable." For Fred Wilpon's sake, hopefully the sides can agree on an amount closer to the owner's initial $160MM-range expectation rather than Picard's one billion-range figure.

[Akiyama]

Management doesn't need to be calling out anyone publicly, period. Comparing Wright, Reyes, and Beltran to Yuniesky Betancourt is extremely silly.

Where...was anyone comparing them to Yuniesky Betancourt..?

[Cephius]

One day I'm going to catch you in fantasy baseball Aki. One day...

[Akiyama]

Heh, this isn't even one of my better teams I've had. I've just gotten lucky with some late round picks. (Sup Beckett, who's got back problems now and will probably suck the rest of the year.)

[Demosthenes11]

Did they win a game 3-1 with only 2 hits?

Yeah, that's Braun-level epic. Dont be jelly.

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jelly of your shitty .500 team?

nah son. We got non-boring superstars too.