Skillchain Elemental Affinity

[Yugl]

New threads will appear soon (And reformatting of old ones). For now, I've done the SC test using Thunder Obi, Thunderday, and Peapuks. Although Thunder Obi worked for Fragmentation and Impaction, it did not work for Light. That means the SC is not using ALL the elements. It seems to filter out elements that get resisted then select (randomly or hierarchically) from the remaining elements. My conjecture is that it goes Light > Thunder > Fire > Wind and Dark > Ice > Water > Earth. Tests done with Ophannus.

Skillchain 	Obi?	WS	SC	%	
Light					
	Yes	771	771	100%	
	Yes	794	794	100%	
	Yes	974	974	100%	
	Yes	806	806	100%	
Fragmentation					
	Yes	1094	721	65.90%	
	Yes	959	632	65.90%	
	Yes	997	657	65.90%	
	No	401	669	59.94%	
	No	1000	600	60%	
	No	1238	816	65.91%	Day Proc
	No	884	291	32.91%	
	No	941	564	59.93%	
Impaction					
	Yes	240	132	55%	
	Yes	452	248	54.87%	
	No	223	122	54.70%	
	No	275	137	49.81%	
	No	270	135	50%

Someone can clean it up if I don't get to it tomorrow.

[Stromgarde]

Nah, it still follows the present pattern; I think there might be a sequential list of 'no preference' elements that it checks when considering which element to align with. When I was fighting light elementals in sky, my wyvern consistantly used flame breath... I think that Karin Obi (Fire) might be the 'default' choice for light skillchains.

[Yugl]

Nah, it still follows the present pattern; I think there might be a sequential list of 'no preference' elements that it checks when considering which element to align with. When I was fighting light elementals in sky, my wyvern consistantly used flame breath... I think that Karin Obi (Fire) might be the 'default' choice for light skillchains.

I'm almost certain that Flame Breath is the default breath for wyverns when no the mob exhibits no resistances.

[Stromgarde]

I wish I had taken a screenshot of the Djinn tests; That was the only run I saw a day bonus on Light for.

[Stromgarde]

Light Elemental with karin (fire) obi using Firestorm:

WS	Chain	% Damage	Shell Corr.	Actual
321	275	85.66978193	1.280409731	109.6924224
333	285	85.58558559	1.280409731	109.5846166
388	426	109.7938144		
354	389	109.8870056		
352	387	109.9431818

Will do more tests on different mobs later, about to walk out the door atm though.

P.S. Was darksday with wind weather.

[Kirschy]

I'd just like to add, I think this SC Damage/Element stuff should get a separate thread in Advanced to allow everyone to comment on it and compile all the data coming in. (Also an updated OP to summarize the findings!)

[Byrthnoth]

I'd just like to add, I think this SC Damage/Element stuff should get a separate thread in Advanced to allow everyone to comment on it and compile all the data coming in. (Also an updated OP to summarize the findings!)

I second this emotion. I'd rather have the testing kept open so anyone can contribute. I was under the impression this subforum would mostly be for compilation of tests and things related to testing. I have no idea how to split or merge threads, but someone who does could split the relevant posts involving skillchain damage off of this thread into its own thread in "Advanced."

[Stromgarde]

Alright, I split the thread. I think we need to get approval before moving it to Advanced, however.

[Byrthnoth]

We were always capable of making the thread in Advanced in the first place, so moving it to advanced shouldn't be an issue I figure. Thanks for splitting the thread. I hope the move worked properly.

[Stromgarde]

Updated the OP with summary of findings as well as what still needs to be ferreted out. Move seems to have worked perfectly.

[Byrthnoth]

So, in order to prove that skillchains choose their damage based on weaknesses, an option would be to find a neutral target that defaults to (for instance) fire, and use a Ninja Ni spell to reduce its resistance to a different element. If Skillchain damage shifts to that element, then we know it's based on resistances.

If we find out it's based on resistances, we use Skillchain damage+Obis as a tool to test for elemental weaknesses on monsters.

Also, sorry about no tests yet from me. I swear I've been afk in Jeuno or Whitegate for the last few days except on Iceday, when people find me and ask me to help with stuff. It seems like that test is a little outdated now though. I'll try to do the test I propose in this post on Iceday if I can find the time.

If we want to find the order that skillchain damage procs in, we need targets that are strong against one or two elements and neutral against all other elements. For Light damage, for instance, we now need monsters that are strong to Fire and neutral to Light/Thunder/Wind.

[Stromgarde]

Light on Light Elementals in Tu'Lia, Windsday:

WS	Chain	%		Shell Corr.	Actual
355	390	109.8591549	-	
255	280	109.8039216	-	
258	241	93.41085271	1.280409731	119.6041648
317	296	93.37539432	1.280409731	119.5587635

Wind weather was in effect as well for the second pair. First set was with Doton, second set was with Threnody.

Since earlier tests showed that normally only Karin (Fire) Obi should work, this confirms your point Byr.

Edit: Pursuant to that, it seems that they reused the old Drachen Armet weakness targetting code for this, as well as all wyvern breaths now; Can you think of something strong to fire but not weak to anything?

[Byrthnoth]

Edit: Pursuant to that, it seems that they reused the old Drachen Armet weakness targetting code for this, as well as all wyvern breaths now; Can you think of something strong to fire but not weak to anything?

Fire elementals are strong against Fire and not weak against Wind/Thunder/Light, right? What do you have in mind?

Also, do you think Drachen Armet does anything these days?

[NynJa]

Can you think of something strong to fire but not weak to anything?

Wiki says wamoura are weak to "thunder and ice", but immune to fire. Campa's are weak to "ice" and strong against "fire". I dont know how valid those claims are, since something strong to fire should be strong to ice, under the basis that "fire melts ice", and I think thats just a BLM75 going "ice and thunder are my strongest spells therefor I use those the most".

[Stromgarde]

Fire elementals are strong against Fire and not weak against Wind/Thunder/Light, right? What do you have in mind?

Also, do you think Drachen Armet does anything these days?

Yeah, problem is a wyvern would use aqua breath on a fire elemental though, and windsday just ended. If we can find something with only fire resistance, then we can just use the wyvern to find the rest of the pattern.

If Drachen Armet does do anything these days (doubtful), it's probably just a flat bonus to MACC.

[Stromgarde]

Smiting Breath on Wamouracampas yielded Frost Breath interestingly, instead of their reported weakness of Water. Either way, it's looking like we won't be able to use this as a shortcut.

Edit: Apparently Wamoura Princes aren't the same as Wamouracampas for weakness purposes. At any rate, it targetted the weakness.

[Byrthnoth]

Can you use two threnodies of equal strength?

[NynJa]

Guess I was wrong on that one...

[Yugl]

Drachen Armet selects the "correct" breath to use the mob (From what I remember in 2005).

[Stromgarde]

Can you use two threnodies of equal strength?

Maybe; I'm not sure though. Hitting up Fire Elementals would probably be the best course of action for now though.

Drachen Armet selects the "correct" breath to use the mob (From what I remember in 2005).

Yeah, except now wyverns do that anyway regardless of what you're wearing. Based on current test results, they just borrowed the code out of that and plugged it into both default wyvern breaths as well as skillchain element choice.