Random Question Thread XX: The Aforementioned Goddamn Random Question Thread

[Skeelo]

I think it's something similar to:
Vougier's>Gungnir>Rhongo>Corsesca +2>Ryunohige.

Ok good, almost done with Corsesca and was on the fence of trying to get gungir. Guess ill just stick with OaT for now. Thanks for reply.

[Soho]

Vougier's<Gungnir<Corsesca +2<Rhongomiant<Ryunohige

Multiple people have showed math in the past that Corsesca +2 beats everything. If you want to claim otherwise, please show your math.

[Chun Liroy]

Vougier's<Gungnir<Corsesca +2<Rhongomiant<Ryunohige

Well, they were arrows And while I haven't done the math, I thought Corsesca vs. rhongo was still up for debate?

[Atoreis]

Multiple people have showed math in the past that Corsesca +2 beats everything. If you want to claim otherwise, please show your math.

I did and I have this discussion 3 weeks ago. Corsesca +2 only beats Rhongomiant if you ignore all facts that are in favor of Rhongomiant.

per hit:
OAT - 94+18(fSTR)=112
Empy - 132+22(fSTR)=154
37% higher damage per hit

WS:
Since STR will change a little with race/merits and gear I assumed:

90(base)+50(VV)+50(avg cruor)+80(avg WS gear?)+5(food)=275
w/o VV = 225

WSC(VV): 275*0.5*0.85=116
WSC(no VV): 225*0.5*0.85=95

Base WS damage with OAT(with VV): 116+112=228
Base WS damage with Empy(with VV): 116+154=270
18.4% higher
Base WS damage with OAT(w/o VV): 95+112=207
Base WS damage with Empy(w/o VV): 95+154=249
20.3% higher

Apoc 15% TA
VV+Brutal+Atheling 13%DA
Hit rate Empy 1.41
Hit rate OAT 1.70
20.5% higher

That alone puts Rhongomiant ahead.

Add the fact that you can:
- start fight with 300% for 40% ODD w/o even losing the damage because camlann's > draken is light and that will do at least what 2x drakes do.
- you can do above combo to maintain ODD using Sekkanoki, meditate+spirit jump, soul jump and good timing
- You can make self double light with camlann's > drakes > camlann's

Outside abyssea Rhongomiant lose quite a lot (fSTR, TA, DA) but also "gain" a lot in WS over Coresca.
Camlann's also is that much weaker outside abyssea which makes above SC even more in favor of Rhongomiant and on high def mobs its go further.

[ziggomatic]

Did they nerf Whiskering/Cleaving or something? I'm in Tahrongi only 40-50 people in the zone. Capped lights and the last 10 pulls of Canyon Scorpions have only yielded 0-5 chests every pull. -.- I know about the zone limit... but only 40-50 people... it shouldnt be happening, for that many pulls...

[Yugl]

Did they nerf Whiskering/Cleaving or something? I'm in Tahrongi only 40-50 people in the zone. Capped lights and the last 10 pulls of Canyon Scorpions have only yielded 0-5 chests every pull. -.- I know about the zone limit... but only 40-50 people... it shouldnt be happening, for that many pulls...

It *could* be happening with that many in the zone. If everyone is cleaving you should expect those results.

[Fallyn]

is Diaga a yellow proc?

[Atoreis]

is Diaga a yellow proc?

You mean outside abyssea?

[Fallyn]

inside abyssea, sorry.

[Esvedium]

inside abyssea, sorry.

no

[Phoenyx]

No.

[Fallyn]

lol.

[Skeelo]

no, banishga 2, banish 2, banish 3, holy, and flash for light magical procs.

[Fallyn]

Thanks for clearing that up, just had some LS members like literally shout at me on vent when I said it wasn't one lol.

[Ocara]

Does it make any sense on mnk to try and stagger zerk/impetus timers (At least inside abyssea)? Since crits somewhat devalue atk, and impetus gives atk that might be getting wasted anyway if zerk is pushing you high enough... I usually sync them up for convenience but I was thinking of this the other night.

[Chun Liroy]

Atoreis, I'd like to see info on outside abyssea as well, because I doubt Rhongo will perform as well as corsesca outside.

[Atoreis]

Atoreis, I'd like to see info on outside abyssea as well, because I doubt Rhongo will perform as well as corsesca outside.

You might be right but I got training now and some events after then probably sleep so idk if I will be able to make it today.

[Syntex]

What would be a good way to farm lights on nin/dnc in lathine? Any specific mobs that are good for aoeing with dagger or anything that dies quick? I had a he'll of a time with 3 of us in vunker last night trying to get time even with capped lights. I need to start farming briarius pops but want to minimize farming chests for time so I can get this done. Unlike some people I started shortly before the tsunami in Japan so I'm sitting on 9 stones at the moment.

[Esvedium]

azure ephs, pearl t1 vnm/lesser NMs (rabbit/bee/bird/etc), then AE down groups of mobs. Don't do frogs, they suck for AEing. I tried doing the "go in and farm time then pop nms" for Bria, but it was SUCH a waste of time for everyone involved that now I just buy pop sets from AH, go in, pop lesser, then pop Brias back to back.

Unless you have ~8 people there to hold pop sets, farming time just doesn't make sense imo, and certainly not on nin/dnc. Get someone to come war/sam and do a proper "FC for time", then go pop shit if you really want to farm time before popping Bria. Or, join an xp party and get a bunch of time/lights, then do your bria stuffs if you have lots of time in-game, but not lots of stones, perhaps.

[Pendulum]

Anyone got a numerical value for amber to get NQ AF3 feet yet?