Random Question Thread XX: The Aforementioned Goddamn Random Question Thread

[Yugl]

I've mentioned two sets of mobs and it applies to some instances where you're AoEing solo, AoEing small packs of mobs, and AoEing mobs leveled up by other players. You have mentioned zero mobs where your merits apply. The rest of your post returns to what I said earlier: speculation. Physical potency merits tend to help instances where I spam spells the least and instances where I should be using ACC food (In other words, very few if at all).

[Draylo]

You also said it happens "occasionally". There is no way the majority of BLUs', people who are asking the information, are planning to focus on AOEing one or two select group of mobs. Also, any proof of this no raising azure lights = maximum amount of gold chests? As far as I know you still cap pearl, which means overall increase in each chest. Not capping azure just means weak azure chests... Why does it matter if you AOE tonberry for gold chests or some other mob with greater numbers? Unless I am missing something? Level means almost nothing, you still easily dispatch them with whirl > whiskers > thermal pulse (at this point they are ~2% ish). Also, you don't have to spam spells to get the use out of phy potency merits.

[Yugl]

You also said it happens "occasionally". There is no way the majority of BLUs', people who are asking the information, are planning to focus on AOEing one or two select group of mobs.

I said occasionally because it would be inaccurate to say it happens all the time. What's your point? Why do you keep putting up this fiction about it only applying to two mobs when in the post that you're responding to, I said it applies to multiple instances? If they haven't finished their Dark Rings or Hairpins, they're going to want to use BLU for AoEing Tonberry anyways.

Also, any proof of this no raising azure lights = maximum amount of gold chests? As far as I know you still cap pearl, which means overall increase in each chest. Not capping azure just means weak azure chests... Why does it matter if you AOE tonberry for gold chests or some other mob with greater numbers? Unless I am missing something?

Cleaving is the fastest way to kill, but most mobs are shitty for cleaving. Imps will stop to cast, cast gravity and bind, and have the potential Bakka add. Other mobs either don't link, are too spaced apart, or both. Tonberry are nice and clustered, but there are only a few of them if you skip the spellcasting ones (Which aren't worth going after).

And what-the-fuck at your lights question. I hope that isn't serious.

[Draylo]

I said occasionally because it would be inaccurate to say it happens all the time. What's your point? Why do you keep putting up this fiction about it only applying to two mobs when in the post that you're responding to, I said it applies to multiple instances? If they haven't finished their Dark Rings or Hairpins, they're going to want to use BLU for AoEing Tonberry anyways.



Cleaving is the fastest way to kill, but most mobs are shitty for cleaving. Imps will stop to cast, cast gravity and bind, and have the potential Bakka add. Other mobs either don't link, are too spaced apart, or both. Tonberry are nice and clustered, but there are only a few of them if you skip the spellcasting ones (Which aren't worth going after).

And what-the-fuck at your lights question. I hope that isn't serious.

The way you worded it seemed like that is what you were thinking.

There are plenty of easy targets for AOEing in Konsch... the hell are you talking about? There are also plenty of tonberries at that point where you wouldn't need to wait on BA recast lol..

[Yugl]

The way you worded it seemed like that is what you were thinking.

There are plenty of easy targets for AOEing in Konsch... the hell are you talking about? There are also plenty of tonberries at that point where you wouldn't need to wait on BA recast lol..

Which targets are as rewarding as tonberries as far as AoE is concerned? Also, I know about BA recast issues because I farmed them for well over 12hrs. Perhaps you're just slow?

[Draylo]

Which targets are as rewarding as tonberries as far as AoE is concerned? Also, I know about BA recast issues because I farmed them for well over 12hrs. Perhaps you're just slow?

Bugards work just fine. You have that much of an issue with BA even getting restore chests? I think you are full of shit just to justify your useless merits.

[Yugl]

Bugards work just fine. You have that much of an issue with BA even getting restore chests? I think you are full of shit just to justify your useless merits.

There are many instances where I'm not receiving any blue boxes at all. Bugards are more scattered than tonberry, so they're worse to AoE; try again.

Your line of argument has reached the pits of what it can be:
"lolBA; Physical+Magic ftw" << Justify this?
"Well physical will be needed in the next update" << Speculation (And you can *CHANGE* them if that turns out to be the case)
"Well magic is good because of HB on NMs and 1k Needles" << Which NMs? 1k Needles is sooned to be removed from the list; can you show they even make a difference now?
"I know lots of NMs"<< Like? (Met with silence)

Thus far, your side of the argument is undefended. Meanwhile you're trying to tell me that spaced out bugards beats clustered Tonberries for AoEing. I'm sure you'll try to come back by saying "But I said they work fine, not that they're best" and to that I reply "This is BG."

The biggest difference between our advice is that yours depends largely on speculation. While it might be the case that we're "destined" to need Magic ACC and Physical (Spell) ACC merits, we won't really know that until 95/99 since anything prior to that is something we'll have a nine level advantage over. Furthermore, since we're supposedly not receiving a level cap increase next update, you can easily change them post-update since there appears to be no other use for XP.

[Draylo]

There are many instances where I'm not receiving any blue boxes at all. Bugards are more scattered than tonberry, so they're worse to AoE; try again.

Your line of argument has reached the pits of what it can be:
"lolBA; Physical+Magic ftw" << Justify this?
"Well physical will be needed in the next update" << Speculation (And you can *CHANGE* them if that turns out to be the case)
"Well magic is good because of HB on NMs and 1k Needles" << Which NMs? 1k Needles is sooned to be removed from the list; can you show they even make a difference now?
"I know lots of NMs"<< Like? (Met with silence)

Thus far, your side of the argument is undefended. Meanwhile you're trying to tell me that spaced out bugards beats clustered Tonberries for AoEing. I'm sure you'll try to come back by saying "But I said they work fine, not that they're best" and to that I reply "This is BG."

The biggest difference between our advice is that yours depends largely on speculation. While it might be the case that we're "destined" to need Magic ACC and Physical (Spell) ACC merits, we won't really know that until 95/99 since anything prior to that is something we'll have a nine level advantage over. Furthermore, since we're supposedly not receiving a level cap increase next update, you can easily change them post-update since there appears to be no other use for XP.

Spaced out bugards? There are plenty of them clustered around, I can easily grab a large group of them... If you are confining yourself to a minimal amount of tonberries then that isn't the "best".

I never said Phy and magic were the best, I gave a recommendation as for what merits to do, those were the ones I chose. CA/Phys would be suitable for current end game. BA is indeed useless.

[Atoreis]

Furthermore, since we're supposedly not receiving a level cap increase next update, you can easily change them post-update since there appears to be no other use for XP.

Not like getting 300k exp to cap on 95 will change anything in switching merits because that's like 4-5h in abyssea and tbh 3 stats merit (at least 270k exp) 2 other merits (100k exp) 12 combat (300-330k exp) 8 magic (210k exp) 4hp/mp merits (100-200k exp) 0.98-1.12 M of exp is 3-4 times more then 95 cap would bring in lvling job.

[Yugl]

Spaced out bugards? There are plenty of them clustered around, I can easily grab a large group of them... If you are confining yourself to a minimal amount of tonberries then that isn't the "best".

I never said Phy and magic were the best, I gave a recommendation as for what merits to do, those were the ones I chose. CA/Phys would be suitable for current end game. BA is indeed useless.

Holyshit Draylo, square 1 much? Lets add to the Draylo list...

Your line of argument has reached the pits of what it can be:
"lolBA; Physical+Magic ftw" << Justify this?
"Well physical will be needed in the next update" << Speculation (And you can *CHANGE* them if that turns out to be the case)
"Well magic is good because of HB on NMs and 1k Needles" << Which NMs? 1k Needles is sooned to be removed from the list; can you show they even make a difference now?
"I know lots of NMs"<< Like? (Met with silence)
"I didn't mean they were the best to merit even though that was my response to the question of what to merit and even defended them for a wtfnumberofposts" <<??????????
"CA and Physical are best"<< What do you need physical ACC against? I already agreed with CA, so now you have to defend physical acc merits

@Atoreis: I agree, I just didn't want him trying to counter with something like "OMG NEEDS FOR XP FOR THE NEXT LEVEL!"

[Nattack]

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[Draylo]

Holyshit Draylo, square 1 much? Lets add to the Draylo list...

Your line of argument has reached the pits of what it can be:
"lolBA; Physical+Magic ftw" << Justify this?
"Well physical will be needed in the next update" << Speculation (And you can *CHANGE* them if that turns out to be the case)
"Well magic is good because of HB on NMs and 1k Needles" << Which NMs? 1k Needles is sooned to be removed from the list; can you show they even make a difference now?
"I know lots of NMs"<< Like? (Met with silence)
"I didn't mean they were the best to merit even though that was my response to the question of what to merit and even defended them for a wtfnumberofposts" <<??????????
"CA and Physical are best"<< What do you need physical ACC against? I already agreed with CA, so now you have to defend physical acc merits

@Atoreis: I agree, I just didn't want him trying to counter with something like "OMG NEEDS FOR XP FOR THE NEXT LEVEL!"

I already told you what they are good for, fights where acc isn't capped for multi-hit spells on high end mobs.

Macc + phy potency 5/5 or CA recast

Was what I said, both macc and phy potency have current use. BA recast is retarded, one mob group that you vehemently defend as the "Best" doesn't justify it. I'd like to see how you can think your opinion on tonberry vs bugard and 0 restore chests can justify it as the best choice? You were arguing why merit MACC, I gave reasons as to why.

[Yugl]

I already told you what they are good for, fights where acc isn't capped for multi-hit spells on high end mobs.

Is this a joke? That's like answering the question "When do you need a DRK?" with "Those times a DRK will be useful." Talk about implying the consequent.

Was what I said, both macc and phy potency have current use. BA recast is retarded, one mob group that you vehemently defend as the "Best" doesn't justify it.

So before I was defending two groups of mobs (Even though I listed multiple situations where they apply). Now I'm defending one and somehow responding to YOUR criticisms of one of my examples means I'm vehemently defending it. I like how you still manage to avoid answering the questions I posed to you in what? Three pages?

I'd like to see how you can think your opinion on tonberry vs bugard and 0 restore chests can justify it as the best choice? You were arguing why merit MACC, I gave reasons as to why.

I just gave two pages worth of reasons why I choose those merits and a majority of those reasons don't have to do with the ONE tonberry example you seem to obsess over. It's not opinion, bugards are spread out farther so you round up fewer in the same amount of time as you could tonberry. Hence, slower AOEing. What the fuck don't you understand?

Having a reason doesn't make it a good reason Draylo. I pressed you to defend your answer and instead of doing so, you shot back by trying to undermine points that I've defended time and again. You've even stooped to distorting what I've said (Hence, why my multi-point argument somehow becomes two points and then two points becomes one example).

[Draylo]

It's not opinion, bugards are spread out farther so you round up fewer in the same amount of time as you could tonberry. Hence, slower AOEing. What the fuck don't you understand?

Really? Where is the proof of that? Bugards aren't that spread out, you are exaggerating again. How many Tonberries are you pulling?

What other mobs are you referring to then. You are suggesting people merit BA recast because of bombs, tonberries and what else am I missing? This is also taking your word for proof, that BA is never up in time, regardless of what you are doing, w/o these merits. You will have 0 restore chests etc. It will be up all the time, whenever you need it with these merits because it has happened to Yugl on his "occasions".

[Yugl]

Really? Where is the proof of that? Bugards aren't that spread out, you are exaggerating again. How many Tonberries are you pulling?

What the fuck? Do I need to Etch-a-sketch it for you? It's pretty obvious just by looking at it. I'm getting ALL of the none casting tonberries.

What other mobs are you referring to then. You are suggesting people merit BA recast because of bombs, tonberries and what else am I missing? This is also taking your word for proof, that BA is never up in time, regardless of what you are doing, w/o these merits. You will have 0 restore chests etc. It will be up all the time, whenever you need it with these merits because it has happened to Yugl on his "occasions".

You can criticize me all you want, but you're the one with the explaining to do:


Your line of argument has reached the pits of what it can be:
"lolBA; Physical+Magic ftw" << Justify this?
"Well physical will be needed in the next update" << Speculation (And you can *CHANGE* them if that turns out to be the case)
"Well magic is good because of HB on NMs and 1k Needles" << Which NMs? 1k Needles is sooned to be removed from the list; can you show they even make a difference now?
"I know lots of NMs"<< Like? (Met with silence)
"I didn't mean they were the best to merit even though that was my response to the question of what to merit and even defended them for a wtfnumberofposts" <<??????????
"CA and Physical are best"<< What do you need physical ACC against? I already agreed with CA, so now you have to defend physical acc merits

[Draylo]

What the fuck? Do I need to Etch-a-sketch it for you? It's pretty obvious just by looking at it. I'm getting ALL of the none casting tonberries.

In your mind the bugards are far enough to warrant going to non casting Tonberries only. I have cleaved there plenty of times and gotten a large amount of bugards very quickly.

You can criticize me all you want, but you're the one with the explaining to do:


Your line of argument has reached the pits of what it can be:
"lolBA; Physical+Magic ftw" << Justify this?

Yes lolBA RECAST merits. I can find more uses out of the extra acc/macc than a 20 second reduction on something that is up whenever I need it.

"Well physical will be needed in the next update" << Speculation (And you can *CHANGE* them if that turns out to be the case)

"Well magic is good because of HB on NMs and 1k Needles" << Which NMs? 1k Needles is sooned to be removed from the list; can you show they even make a difference now?

Yes it's soon to be removed, but you can CHANGE them when its removed just like you said in the point before this one. Can you show they don't make a difference?

"I know lots of NMs"<< Like? (Met with silence)

Ones that you aren't capped acc on. I can't tell you which ones those are because they obviously vary by buffs, specific NM (some are very evasive like the fly in mis coast), and gear sets etc.

"I didn't mean they were the best to merit even though that was my response to the question of what to merit and even defended them for a wtfnumberofposts" <<??????????

BLU merits were always situational depending on what you use it most for. Overall, CA/Phy is best for most BLU.

"CA and Physical are best"<< What do you need physical ACC against? I already agreed with CA, so now you have to defend physical acc merits

Answered it with previous point.

[Draylo]

You didn't answer my previous question though, what else do you need those extra 20 seconds for? In those 20 seconds you are not recasting buffs or mid pull in Yugl land. Bombs in Altepa? Why are you doing those? Where do you NEED those 20 seconds to warrant meriting it over extra acc or magic acc?

[Byrthnoth]

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[Yugl]

In your mind the bugards are far enough to warrant going to non casting Tonberries only. I have cleaved there plenty of times and gotten a large amount of bugards very quickly.

How does clearing a mob quickly equate to clearing the quickest? You can clear ANY mob quickly, but like I said earlier, it's about taking the BEST route and the BEST route is to do Tonberry, which are clustered.

Yes it's soon to be removed, but you can CHANGE them when its removed just like you said in the point before this one. Can you show they don't make a difference?

The difference is CERTAINTY that using magic acc to boost 1k needles will be useless.

Ones that you aren't capped acc on. I can't tell you which ones those are because they obviously vary by buffs, specific NM (some are very evasive like the fly in mis coast), and gear sets etc.

If you can't even tell me the mobs that they're making a difference on, then how can you claim they're making a difference? Does this look like a Glenn Beck rally to you? Again, your answer is equivalent to "DRK is useful because it's useful in situations where DRK is useful even though I can't tell you those situations." HINT: You're not answering the question!

BLU merits were always situational depending on what you use it most for. Overall, CA/Phy is best for most BLU.

Your post doesn't even reflect that since you said Magic ACC + Physical*OR*CA. Also, you just backtracked *again*. You went from saying "I think Magic ACC + Physical ACC is best" to "I didn't say anything about the best merits, I just posted my own merits which somehow means I maxed out CA, BA, and Physical Potency even though that's impossible" to "It's situational."

You didn't answer my previous question though, what else do you need those extra 20 seconds for? In those 20 seconds you are not recasting buffs or mid pull in Yugl land. Bombs in Altepa? Why are you doing those? Where do you NEED those 20 seconds to warrant meriting it over extra acc or magic acc?

You don't need to prove necessity of merits. If you *need* merits to win battles, there are greater problems at work. The point of merits is to enhance performance. Does BA do that for me? Yes. Have I pointed to instances? Yes. You can also apply this to AoEing crabs where you can stop to AoE a pack of them and still be in distance of the second pack for AoEing. The times when Magic ACC will enhance your performance is when the magic acc contributes to the kill speed or survivability of the fight. The latter is very rarely an issue, and if it is, it's unlikely that magic acc will make a difference. None of your examples appeal to the former. Physical Spell ACC only matters where spell ACC is uncapped. You admit you can't point out any instances where your spell ACC is uncapped. If you can't point to instances (Oh right a fly you would either use food on to handle ACC issues, and if not, only fight a handful of times!) where it comes into play, then you can't attest for the usefulness of the merits.

[Draylo]

How does clearing a mob quickly equate to clearing the quickest? You can clear ANY mob quickly, but like I said earlier, it's about taking the BEST route and the BEST route is to do Tonberry, which are clustered.

What makes you say that is the best route? They aggro by sight only, only few numbers of non casting tonberries compared to the large amount of bugards.

The difference is CERTAINTY that using magic acc to boost 1k needles will be useless.

What?

If you can't even tell me the mobs that they're making a difference on, then how can you claim they're making a difference? Does this look like a Glenn Beck rally to you? Again, your answer is equivalent to "DRK is useful because it's useful in situations where DRK is useful even though I can't tell you those situations." HINT: You're not answering the question!

Did you skip the part where I answered this? Do you claim to be capped acc on every single NM in the game?

Your post doesn't even reflect that since you said Magic ACC + Physical*OR*CA. Also, you just backtracked *again*. You went from saying "I think Magic ACC + Physical ACC is best" to "I didn't say anything about the best merits, I just posted my own merits which somehow means I maxed out CA, BA, and Physical Potency even though that's impossible" to "It's situational."

I never said it was the best, its situational. Can you honestly claim BA is the best to merit? I can't write off a list of mobs that have resisted head butt stun at times, Bukhis comes to mind, but there are few NMs that do. In addition to landing 1k needles more accurately. I will restate my answer then, (already did, but again its situational) the overall best merits for a typical BLU would be CA recast (Generally used as soon as its up) and Phy potency (extra acc where its needed). BA is only in use during AOE farming and you don't even need it at that time.. Restore chests and time between pull > checking chests > repop > repull, it will be up again.

You don't need to prove necessity of merits. If you *need* merits to win battles, there are greater problems at work. The point of merits is to enhance performance. Does BA do that for me? Yes. Have I pointed to instances? Yes. You can also apply this to AoEing crabs where you can stop to AoE a pack of them and still be in distance of the second pack for AoEing. The times when Magic ACC will enhance your performance is when the magic acc contributes to the kill speed or survivability of the fight. The latter is very rarely an issue, and if it is, it's unlikely that magic acc will make a difference. None of your examples appeal to the former. Physical Spell ACC only matters where spell ACC is uncapped. You admit you can't point out any instances where your spell ACC is uncapped. If you can't point to instances (Oh right a fly you would either use food on to handle ACC issues, and if not, only fight a handful of times!) where it comes into play, then you can't attest for the usefulness of the merits.

Procing grellow faster or making a fight easier by stunning a spell/debuff is doesn't make a difference at all in kill speed? Golly jeepers, could have fooled me. There are instances when I am uncapped, I don't parse all my fights to check my acc vs everything but I know certain NMs and their tendencies in addition to specific TP moves that boost evasion or generally evasive mobs.