Random Question Thread XX: The Aforementioned Goddamn Random Question Thread

[Kaope]

Yes. No weaponskill exists within a vacuum. Its overall power depends on the gear that is available to augment it and which jobs can use it (along with what of those jobs enhances its power).

I would still check math for both before. I too think that avg Fudo will be a little higher but I think most ppl saying this w/o any proof. I'm wondering about outside abyssea especially because probably only outside those jobs (SAM and DRK) are relevant (well after update in DRK case but that's just 10 days)

What would you guys say about the best tp + ws currently available for Caladbolg?

[Atoreis]

What would you guys say about the best tp + ws currently available for Caladbolg?

I'm not sure if that's best I was doing that few weeks ago just for some fast set.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/109491

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/109490

For example that WS set doesn't include 180sec LR and now it should be similar like war/zerk set for LR down and LR up and this set above is more for LR down.

From my simple math at 5 am:
Damage for Fudo with best set before pDIF 937(1115 with overhelm)
Damage for Torc with best set before pDIF 1077

So looks like Fudo wins only with overhelm and only by 3,5%

Taking into consideration that:
- SAM will have berserk only 60% of the time
- DRK will have LR up 72% of the time
- Overhelm probably wont be in effect 100% of the time
- Souleater will add some damage to avg Torc too

Avg Torc after update looks to be higher then avg Fudo (outside abyssea)

Unless someone make some other math showing opposite I think saying Fudo is better (or even more funny Fudo is much better) is just some SAM love or ignorance.

For ppl that are wondering

In my math:

Fudo
fTP: 4.28 (with 18%DA)
fSTR: 20
WSC: 88

Torcleaver
fTP: 5.28 (with 8%DA)
fSTR: 11
WSC: 73

[Cymmina]

inb4 lolsch

Fighting Guimauve for the Savant's Treatise, used at least 4 clean Dancing Edges and Shark Bites and no blue proc, Shadowstitch and Evisceration gave a proc message so that helped narrow it down. Some WS were done in blm form and others in whm form, anyone have any info as to why no proc?

Were Shadowstitch and Evisceration clean? We've had and "I got message on all of my spells" type situation not too long ago, and the trigger ended up being one of the spells that the message came up on. It might be that the ability has to be clean and give the message for the "if you get the message, then it isn't the right one" theory to be correct.

[Kaisha]

Does anyone know whatever happened to the STF group SE exmployed? I know they stopped their monthly reports back when the RMT situation was declining, but I've not heard a peep about them in the past year. I'd have figured they'd be redirected to working on the blatant cheating going on in some LS, especially with regards to flee tool, but nope, nothing, and not even the GMs will do anything about it.

[TheDirtyHobo]

We've had and "I got message on all of my spells" type situation not too long ago, and the trigger ended up being one of the spells that the message came up on.

No we didn't. He used the wrong WS when he got the message. He used Shining Blade, the trigger was Seraph Blade.

[Draylo]

Its easy to test, find the right proc and keep spamming it. Never get a msg.

[Syntex]

Ni wheel and san wheel(1 merit each) have any different amount of elemental resistance down difference between the 2? I would like to debuff with ni then enfeeble on some stubborn mobs but if san spells provide more resistance down then I will use that.

[Darkmagi]

Will Maere's Nightmare hit a whm outside of alliance?

Yes, but it cannot use draw-in on anyone outside of alliance unless they are the current target.

[xIndustrialxAngelx]

Any of the Ironclads easiest to get Iron plates from? Same with the T3 VNM stage for colorless Souls?

[Martinius]

Thank you very much. I figured I would have to work on Revenants for Victory Smite but I needed something decent as 90MNK atm and I have no clue what is what on MNK (forshame).

I had my eye on the Taurines, how was your luck on that? What was your set up for Indrik?

we did it at the end of a full blown LS event, so we had maybe 8 people (tho only 2 on it for the majority of the fight - our sam ran in for the bumrush once red was proc'ed). basically, it has stupid-high evasion (it's the only mob in all of abyssea i've ever had to eat sushi for) and you don't want it to move AT ALL. once you pull it, do not let it take off for the mages or you're done (it'll get around 100tp per step. the first time i saw it fought, the group let it take off for the whm... in the span of about 6 seconds, it went damsel > damsel > damsel > lance that did north of 5k dmg).

other than that, honestly, it was a lot easier than i had expected it to be (of course otherwiki testimonials are almost always fail, and particularly so for indrik). it's like azdaja... it's all in tp control. pull it during blunt, proc blue, and if you're lucky, proc red and 2hr. a fanatic's, as the above poster mentioned, is always helpful. i think in terms of people involved, we were mnk, nin, brd, whm, blm, with a couple of others running in after red !! to drop it.

[Martinius]

Same with the T3 VNM stage for colorless Souls?

maere is silly easy, and you're likely to know a lot of folks who have t3 crystals from mnk/thf/brd bodies from gamayun. just make sure that the whm is out of range of nightmare and you'll do fine. no horrid 2hr like brulo, and i've not yet fought ogopogo, but leviathan's got worse tp moves than diabolos.

if you're duo'ing/lowmanning, make sure you've got a voke, or have the mage wake your w/ cure and let you smack it a couple times before dropping a big cure after nightmare, it's a mild-hate reset (similar to orthrus' howl).

[xIndustrialxAngelx]

maere is silly easy, and you're likely to know a lot of folks who have t3 crystals from mnk/thf/brd bodies from gamayun. just make sure that the whm is out of range of nightmare and you'll do fine. no horrid 2hr like brulo, and i've not yet fought ogopogo, but leviathan's got worse tp moves than diabolos.

if you're duo'ing/lowmanning, make sure you've got a voke, or have the mage wake your w/ cure and let you smack it a couple times before dropping a big cure after nightmare, it's a mild-hate reset (similar to orthrus' howl).

Awesome, thanks for the great info! Anything else for the Ironclads? Anyone?

[Cymmina]

No we didn't. He used the wrong WS when he got the message. He used Shining Blade, the trigger was Seraph Blade.

Yes we did. It was a grellow we were working on. Hence the word "spells".

[Arcien]

Hi, I have question about current bst's pet tanking setup. So far, I think I have found up to physical damage taken -40%. 2 magian axes, moogle scenario head, Shepperd chain, job trait, and af3 +2 legs. I saw some bst earlier that let LuckyLulush tank IT bugard and take 0~10 damage only. I think maybe he's getting some atma too but again I forgot to ask. Are there any other gears that I miss for pet: damage taken?

Thank you.

[Neviskio]

What would be an ideal Victory smite set considering optimizing it to 100%? I had some ideas but would love to see more input.Also if it changes in/out aby would be awesome so I can compare to what I own/can get to see how to improve it.

[Mafai]

Awesome, thanks for the great info! Anything else for the Ironclads? Anyone?

I did all 50 of my plates in Altepa. If you can stun Ballistic kick, its a joke.

As far as VNM, I preferred the Levi in range. Grand Fall is rough, but there's no chance of your mage getting slept of a badly timed Nightmare after a partial hate reset by a prior Nightmare. Levi also only uses Tidal wave once (at 1%). If this manages to kill you one nuke will finish it off (it seems to be at 1 HP).

[Evane]

I have a question about family ties quest in Abyssea - Attohwa. I have level 6 in Misa, Att and Vunkerl but I can't trigger the quest. I've done the prerequisite quest (the pot one) and both NPCs give me a dialog about their spouse but the quest won't show up in my quest log.. any suggestions?

[Taint]

DW caps at 50% right? How much haste is needed to cap delay? Thanks

[Byrthnoth]

DW caps at 50% right? How much haste is needed to cap delay? Thanks

Nope, don't think so! DW doesn't have a demonstrated cap.

If you have X amount of DW (like 30% DW from /NIN and Suppa):

1-.2/(1-DW) = Haste you need

[drwaffles]

I'd have figured they'd be redirected to working on the blatant cheating going on in some LS, especially with regards to flee tool

Yeah, I'm sure they've suddenly decided to spend their time investigating something that's been happening non-stop for the past 6+ years.