Random Question Thread XX: The Aforementioned Goddamn Random Question Thread

[Atoreis]

I'm unsure of how Ukko's mods and how attack effects it, but is 5% DA and 15 attack better than 10 str and 5 atk? I would think war has enough natural DA to make them have a decent enough DA rate on WS as is? Double so for Ares' Flanchard which is 6 str and 2% DA.

10STR is better only for epeen. Both 6 STR 2% DA and 5% DA gives better avg.

[Elysian]

Gonna be finishing my gun here soon, tryin to figure out what would be ideal setups for Coronach. Is it good to prioritize the ws mods (agi/dex), then ratt/str? or should I focus on capping fstr2 first, then the ws mods -> ratt? or does ratt increase the damage more than the mods, assuming not capped ratt. And how does the corresponding gorget/belt match up to sylvan neck/scout's belt? (13 agi/15 ratt)

[Limlight]

10STR is better only for epeen. Both 6 STR 2% DA and 5% DA gives better avg.

I was told that af3+2 legs beats both inside abyssea.

[Villian]

Speaking of ukon, any explanation of how I get 20tp return on ukon sometimes? Usual tp return = 15, DA = 16. No regain atma(s) nor I was hit.

[Karbuncle]

Speaking of ukon, any explanation of how I get 20tp return on ukon sometimes? Usual tp return = 15, DA = 16. No regain atma(s) nor I was hit.

Conserve TP?

[Radec]

Speaking of ukon, any explanation of how I get 20tp return on ukon sometimes? Usual tp return = 15, DA = 16. No regain atma(s) nor I was hit.

Ele belt or Aesir for conserveTP?

[Chun Liroy]

Speaking of ukon, any explanation of how I get 20tp return on ukon sometimes? Usual tp return = 15, DA = 16. No regain atma(s) nor I was hit.

Two triple attacks and adequate sTP maybe? If you are the same person that asked earlier than... lol

[Chun Liroy]

Actually, you are.

How come ukon's fury sometimes give me 14tp, 15 tp, 16tp (always 1/14/15/16 with warrior's charge), 17-18tp, and 20tp return with AoA atma? Got 20tp return twice now while orthus is frozen and did 7.5k fury higher than normal. I don't use any store tp gears during WS. :3

You dumb?

[Karbuncle]

Also, Like more help on Targeting the Captain. I Can't seem to "Surprise" him. Even when i clearly attack him, directly from behind, out of his aggro range.

I usually pull him with Hyoton: Ni, Should i use a Chakram? Do i have to be at a Certain range? Wiki sucks for directions on this.

How do you (who replies, if you do it) normally trigger it?

[Nemesio]

How does one go about deactivating a security token? I stepped on it earlier and can only partially make out the words, and don't want it to get worse to the point that I can't read it. Also, I wouldn't lose access to my extra storage, correct?

[Fereydoon]

Have to call SE and explain to them/ask them to remove it, assuming you can't log in because it's broken. You won't lose access to your satchel, no. Don't recall if any mules will get it after though, wanna say they will.

[Mojo]

I'm unsure of how Ukko's mods and how attack effects it, but is 5% DA and 15 attack better than 10 str and 5 atk? I would think war has enough natural DA to make them have a decent enough DA rate on WS as is? Double so for Ares' Flanchard which is 6 str and 2% DA.

My non food non leg WS gear (which I think is somewhat ideal for WAR/SAM) comes out to be 28% DA. I use Breeze Gorget + Breeze Belt. Assuming that the first hit must proc for double attacks to proc (which would only produce minor differences anyways), Ukko's would average out to be around 3.54 fTP.

0.95*[(2.0+50/256)+(0.95)*(1.0*0.28)]+0.95[(1.0)+(0.95)*(1.0*0.28)] = 3.54095

Adding 5% more Double Attack yields the following.

0.95*[(2.0+50/256)+(0.95)*(1.0*0.33)]+0.95[(1.0)+(0.95)*(1.0*0.33)] = 3.63120

Thus the marginal gain yield from Double Attack alone is 2.54%. My STR is 91+49 = 140, then add 4 for Carbonara I suppose. Ukonvasara is DMG 131 with a weapon rank of 14 requiring dSTR ≥ 84 to cap at a value of 22. Mobs with 60 VIT or more would be uncapped (outside of Abyssea), which is likely going to occur on anything worth gearing for. In Abyssea, however, you're mostly likely going to be capped with cruor buffs alone as long as you have all of the +10 attribute abyssites. 10 STR is going to add 5 to WSC (could potentially add 6 but extremely unlikely and you'd probably have to have gimp gear or something) and then 2 or 3 to fSTR (if it's uncapped.) The situations in which 10 STR alone would yield a marginal gain of at least 2.54% to WD looks something like this.

+WSC	+fSTR	Base WD		Occurence in Abyssea	Occurence out of Abyssea
5	0	196		Likely			Weak Mobs Only
6	0	235		Unlikely		Unlikely and Weak Mobs Only
5	2	274		Unlikely		Somewhat Likely
6	2	313		Unlikely		Unlikely
5	3	313		Unlikely		Somewhat Likely
6	3	353		Unlikely		Unlikely

Base WD represents the maximum preleg number WD could be in order for the listed fSTR and WSC bonuses to exceed a 2.54% marginal gain. I also included a somewhat qualitative look at the occurrence of these situations in/out of Abyssea (as the game is now, assuming you're fighting HNM or whatever.)

For my stuff~

The base DMG on Ukon is 131, and 144 STR is going to yield an WSC of 73. fSTR is going to max out at 22 but probably around 19 or 20 outside of Abyssea on HNM and such. Either way, that's at least a preleg WD of 223. In Abyssea, cruor buffs are going to push that number even more to the point where it exceeds 235, thus AF3 is better without even considering the +5 Attack it has over Hachiryu Haidate. Outside of Abyssea, it can only compete in situations where fSTR is uncapped. The 'worst case scenario' for AF3 is probably right around the preleg WD of 223.

+WSC	+fSTR	Base WD		Marginal Gain		Attack Defect
5	2	223		3.14%			0.58%
5	3	223		3.59%			1.01%

The Base WD in this case is the WD I used for the WSC and fSTR bonuses (I only included the two situations I ever thought would occur this time around.) The marginal gain is the marginal gain produced by the bonuses. The attack defect is the marginal gain that must be produced by +5 attack in order for the AF3+2 to win. I don't really feel up to quantifying this, to be honest, but either way it would probably be pretty close. If Hachiryu is better in those situations, then it won't be by much and certainly isn't one of the upgrades I'd ever shit bricks over.

[Byrthnoth]

Heh, nice to know.

[Ricekid]

NIN and WHM can duo Lacovie? I wants atma for completion.

[Atoreis]

Easy.

[cdgreg]

If you're at top campaign medal and switch allegiances (again) are you still demoted a few ranks or did the recent update null that?

[Jex]

Anyone getting this server is busy bull shit when trying to update CC info?

[Atoreis]

Anyone getting this server is busy bull shit when trying to update CC info?

It's like that since billing for this month started ( so about 20+ hours now )

SE said we need to be patient...

[cdgreg]

Just reading over feast of swords shit. I'd like to get a level 1 weapon or 2, do I literally just kill armor, check ???, hope for weapon?

[CDF]

Are there any old tests that "conclusively" showed that TA procs have priority over DA procs (or vice versa)... that have nothing to do with Warrior's or Assassin's Charge?