2010-11 NHL Playoff Thread: HOUSE RULES: ENGAGED

[Ace-o-fire]

They should have taken this approach after game one, not sure why they waited until game three to decide to start saying this honestly. It's not against the rules to do, if they do it to Howard, do it back to Niemi.

well if you look at how the team is coach they aren't a physical in your face team. but the realized they need to be with the sharks. Just fucking wish it didn't take 2 fucking games.

I think someone is going to get fucked up this game.

[Melena]

And this is why the Sharks are in the Wings heads right now. The third time in game 1 if they were so pissed, they should have had a goon take a 5 minute major and lay out Pavelski. Sharks would have stopped, but nope, since they are leaving howard out to dry, they've already drawn one penalty off of him, and should have gotten a second slashing penalty in game 2.

[Ace-o-fire]

And this is why the Sharks are in the Wings heads right now. The third time in game 1 if they were so pissed, they should have had a goon take a 5 minute major and lay out Pavelski. Sharks would have stopped, but nope, since they are leaving howard out to dry, they've already drawn one penalty off of him, and should have gotten a second slashing penalty in game 2.

I don't think it's even the snow showering anymore. DET rarely plays physical hockey, at-least on the sharks level and the sharks are capitalizing that. If you look how DET set's the it's offense it's 1 on the crease, 2 on goal line, and 2 chill-in at the blue line. That leaves it to be a 3 v 5 situation when it comes to goals. DET is really going to have to start going to a 1-3-1 set up. that way we can at least have 4 guys playing the puck and have a man up top to dump when trouble comes in. the sharks are throwing 4 guys down and all of them are taking shots, though most aren't good but they get the squeakers in there. DET is trying to find that hole which they cant because the sharks are on them checking them and doubling up on the boards.

[Thoronas]

I actually need to find a way to research now, I think but I'm not sure that the Canucks have been hit with more Diving minors than any other team.

In these playoffs I would say so. Sedins were diving big time in the Chicago series. I would be curious to see what it was like for the full season as I only just started to notice the team diving more in April.

Also I mentioned this in SassageCam last night but I don't know if others have seen it. Dion Phaneuf hits a guy a Swiss player so hard he faints on the bench.

[Callisto]

In these playoffs I would say so. Sedins were diving big time in the Chicago series. I would be curious to see what it was like for the full season as I only just started to notice the team diving more in April.

I mean more for the last like twoish seasons, I know there was the issue with Burrows and the one ref that gave the one, but it's a really rare call to actually see and I can't think of anyone other than Kaleta who isn't on the Canucks that I've seen get hit with it. I'm sure it's happened plenty, just in games I didn't see.

[Melena]

I don't think it's even the snow showering anymore. DET rarely plays physical hockey, at-least on the sharks level and the sharks are capitalizing that. If you look how DET set's the it's offense it's 1 on the crease, 2 on goal line, and 2 chill-in at the blue line. That leaves it to be a 3 v 5 situation when it comes to goals. DET is really going to have to start going to a 1-3-1 set up. that way we can at least have 4 guys playing the puck and have a man up top to dump when trouble comes in. the sharks are throwing 4 guys down and all of them are taking shots, though most aren't good but they get the squeakers in there. DET is trying to find that hole which they cant because the sharks are on them checking them and doubling up on the boards.

I agree with everything but the squeakers goals comment. The first goal of game 2 was a bullet, and no one outside of maybe the Flash could have stopped that one. The second goal of game 2 i'd give you as that was a horribly fucked up bounce it took over his head. Straight up Mighty Ducks Knuckle Puck shit there. But you should be throwing the puck on net whenever you can get a decent chance anyways, you never know what kind of rebound or deflection your going to get. If you only go for the perfect shot, your not going to beat Niemi.

[Thoronas]

I mean more for the last like twoish seasons, I know there was the issue with Burrows and the one ref that gave the one, but it's a really rare call to actually see and I can't think of anyone other than Kaleta who isn't on the Canucks that I've seen get hit with it. I'm sure it's happened plenty, just in games I didn't see.

I know Doughty got one in a game against Vancouver in March.

[Deader2818]

Dustin Brown has gotten a few dives this year I recall.

[Ace-o-fire]

I agree with everything but the squeakers goals comment. The first goal of game 2 was a bullet, and no one outside of maybe the Flash could have stopped that one. The second goal of game 2 i'd give you as that was a horribly fucked up bounce it took over his head. Straight up Mighty Ducks Knuckle Puck shit there. But you should be throwing the puck on net whenever you can get a decent chance anyways, you never know what kind of rebound or deflection your going to get. If you only go for the perfect shot, your not going to beat Niemi.

by squeakers i mean the rare goal. First game was 2-46 last game was better at 2-37. hopefully we'll see a new Detroit tonight.

"All I know is they won 4-1 last year and they're up 2-0 this year," Babcock said. "By my math, that's 6-1. So the bottom line is we've got to win a game and we've got to win our next game. That's the way we're looking at it.

This is why i love Babcock, doesn't make any excuses.

anyway the lineup is looking good with how they are pairing up.


Zetterberg – Cleary – Bertuzzi
Datsyuk – Franzen – Holmstrom
Abdelkader – Hudler – Filppula
Helm – Draper – Eaves

Lidstrom – Stuart
Kronwall – Salei
Ericsson – Kindl
Janik – Meech

the only line i'm going to worry about is "Abdelkader – Hudler – Filppula" mostly since I'm still iffy on having such a young line. that's sad to say when the line average is 26 years old.

Helm and draper are going to fuck shit up. Zetterberg and Clearly are going to be having fun also

[Melena]

Ahh ok, mistook that as just soft goals, should have known better. Sucks i'm missing the first part of the game. Forgot to set the DVR, wife already left for work, and I get off work 15 minutes after it starts.

[Ace-o-fire]

Ahh ok, mistook that as just soft goals, should have known better. Sucks i'm missing the first part of the game. Forgot to set the DVR, wife already left for work, and I get off work 15 minutes after it starts.

pffft I'm going to be pulling by on text updates from my family watching the game while im setting up shop. though I'm trying to talk the guys out of coming in to work tonight.

[Ishido]

I have 2 finals tonight, the first one starts 30 minutes before the Wings/Sharks game. Fuuuuuuck.

[Callisto]

by squeakers i mean the rare goal. First game was 2-46 last game was better at 2-37. hopefully we'll see a new Detroit tonight.

"All I know is they won 4-1 last year and they're up 2-0 this year," Babcock said. "By my math, that's 6-1. So the bottom line is we've got to win a game and we've got to win our next game. That's the way we're looking at it.

This is why i love Babcock, doesn't make any excuses.

anyway the lineup is looking good with how they are pairing up.


Zetterberg – Cleary – Bertuzzi
Datsyuk – Franzen – Holmstrom
Abdelkader – Hudler – Filppula
Helm – Draper – Eaves

Lidstrom – Stuart
Kronwall – Salei
Ericsson – Kindl
Janik – Meech

the only line i'm going to worry about is "Abdelkader – Hudler – Filppula" mostly since I'm still iffy on having such a young line. that's sad to say when the line average is 26 years old.

Helm and draper are going to fuck shit up. Zetterberg and Clearly are going to be having fun also

man who did Zetterberg piss off to get stuck with that line lol

[Ishido]

man who did Zetterberg piss off to get stuck with that line lol

That line is also going suck and be slow as crap if Zetterberg hasn't recovered a little more speed.

[Deader2818]

Mr. Fraser,

In the Tampa Bay vs Washington game the fourth goal had to go to review. During the replays, you could clearly see that Malone never made a kicking motion on the puck and was awarded the goal. While there was clearly no distinct kicking motion, Malone's stick prohibited Washington's goalie from making a proper kick save. Initially, Malone's stick was in the proper place for a redirection; however as the puck ended up in his skates, his stick continued in a forward motion and push the goaltenders leg into the net allowing the puck to enter the net. Being from the suburbs of Detroit, we've seen goals call back all year from Holmstrom having obstructed the goaltenders ability to make the save with less contact than Malone's. Had you been in the replay booth, would you have still awarded the goal?

Thanks, Joe Barone - Troy, MI

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Kerry,

The time has come to allow coach challenges on goals for goaltender interference. I completely agree that Malone did not kick the puck in but watch his stick push Neuvirth's pad out of the way. That is the only reason the puck crossed the line. I wouldn't want to be Leonsis watching the replay on that one.
C'mon ref - you gotta make that call!

Brian Sambirsky - Calgary, AB

Dear Joe and Brian:

You are both right on the money in your 'final call' from the replay screen. Goalie interference resulted from the push of Ryan Malone's stick against the right pad of Michal Neuvirth. The contact was forceful enough to spin Neuvirth into the net, thereby preventing him from making a save. The puck crossed the goal line where his goal pad had been previously placed.

There was another "dirty goal" scored in the second game yesterday between Vancouver-Nashville which I am sure David Poile isn't happy about, even beyond the Shea Weber hooking penalty in overtime On the scoring of Vancouver's second goal, early in the third period, Ryan Kesler made significant incidental contact with Nashville goalkeeper Pekka Rinne. Rinne was positioned well within the top of his goal crease as Kesler pursued a loose puck that resulted from a rebound off Chris Higgins' initial shot. The body contact by Kesler sent Rinne sprawling outside of his crease. Even though he valiantly attempted to flop back and defend the return shot by Higgins, the puck entered the unattended cage.

These were both very quick, 'bang-bang' plays at the net and not easy for the goal line referee to detect, especially when there is more than one player crashing the net. On both of these plays an offensive and defensive player was involved in the action. It's very easy to be an armchair quarterback on this and say the refs missed the call. The question should be why so and how can it be avoided in the future.

Here's my take:

I was sitting with Senior Producer Steve Dryden watching the game on a monitor in the studio when Malone went hard to the net. As the goal was scored in real time I shouted to Steve, "that can't count, that was goalie interference." Upon further review it confirmed what I saw on the first look that Malone had pushed Neuvirth into the net with his stick. (My first response was the same on the Kesler-Rinne contact as well.)

I saw it on the first look in real time because I don't follow the puck when action is tight to the goal. I narrow my focus of attention on the closest attacking player to the goalie in addition to any defensive player that might bump, push or check the attacker into his own goalie. The reason for this is that if the puck crossed the line illegally (kicked, gloved, high stick, etc) video review has the authority to determine the legitimacy of the goal. They cannot, however review and disallow a goal that resulted from goalie interference. That call must be made by the referee on the ice and in this type of play it is the "hot spot". It usually happens in a blink and you don't get a second look.

My best advice to the referee is read the potential of the play in advance, gain the best possible sight line and focus your attention to the leading edge of contact with the goalie. It's not rocket science, but it usually works.

Just ask Michel Bergeron and Alain Cote of the Quebec Nordiques and Montreal Canadiens goalie Brian Hayward how it worked at the 1987 playoffs in Game 5 in the Battle of Quebec. Hayward will tell you that Cote's disallowed goal along with the goalie interference penalty that resulted to Paul Gillis of the Nordiques with three minutes left in regulation of the tie game was bang on…my focus of attention was in the right place at the right moment.

Interesting.

[Bregor]

hai guyz wats goin on in dis thread

ANGRY

BELIEVE

[Thoronas]

hai guyz wats goin on in dis thread

ANGRY

BELIEVE

Did your TV survive that game?

[isladar]

I was gonna say Tampa Bay but :3

[Selamis]

Ah, I see the search and rescue squad found you. Good good, I was getting worried that they had come up short.

[Aksannyi]

BOLTS

SWEEP

That's all I have to say right now.