A Song of Ice and Fire (Book discussion)

[-Zer0-]

$20,000 to appear in the books!

[Tyrath]

If I were rich I'd be all over that.

[Plow]

Oberyn knows that Doran was thinking of joining up with the remaining Targaryens. It was Oberyn who made the marriage contract between Viserys and Arianne.

We don't know if Doran and Varys are working together. We know Doran has spies in KL but that doesn't narrow it down to Varys.

we know that Doran has spies that are so incredibly descriptive it could only possibly be varys

Show only scenes are not actually proof of anything lol.

that scene was pure book fanservice tho, which is why I'm taking it as meaningful

And even if it was, not having 100% knowledge does not make him suicidal.

But obviously there's no reason to keep arguing. So you can go on thinking Oberyn wanted to die so that maybe (just fucking maybe) Tywin would order Pycelle to keep Gregor alive as long as possible to make him suffer. And the rest of us can go on thinking he was just too blinded by his vengeance to notice he fucked up in a fight with one of the most dangerous men in the world.

nah, I'm pretty sure it wasn't on purpose, I just don't think that theory can be completely dismissed out of hand like you guys do

[Tyrath]

fanservice....meaningful

U wot m8?

[Plow]

fanservice doesn't mean meaningless; but in show context, that scene is entirely meaningless

[Tyrath]

fanservice doesn't mean meaningless; but in show context, that scene is entirely meaningless

Says you. Who hasn't seen what they're doing with the Martells in the show yet.

[Plow]

> implying any show only watcher ever is going to be like "OH NOW THAT SCENE WITH OBERYN MAKES SENSE"


that scene would have been pretty meaningless in the books at this point, too; and according to the arguments that brought us to this discussion, and the arguments people have made since it got here ("lulz it might not be varys!" and "Oberyn knows everything!"), the scene is flat out incorrect

[Tyrath]

Of course they would. When they show that scene in "previously on" right before they do any reveals.

[Tyrath]

I haven't seen the latest episode yet but...the Mannis didn't happen? Wat.

[BaneTheBrawler]

recent episode spoiler

Spoiler: show

episode ends with jon going to try to kill Mance, so... mannis soon.

[Tyrath]

Damn. Thought that would've been a good way to end the episode. We're gonna get yet another epic moment crammed into episode 10 now.

[Plow]

I think this is the first time the season finale is going to be a "true" grand finale.

S1 finale was pretty epic, but this shit is just going to be completely off the charts.

It looks like they may even have Bran's arrival at the cave squeezed in, given the preview.


And yeah, I was totally checking what time it was near the end, and trying to remember the runtime for this episode, thinking it must be going to end with Stannis romping shit.

[Tyrath]

Yeah. Season 1 had a good epic ending with the dragons. Can't remember anything too big from S2 and 3 finale. But this next one is going to have so much..

-Enter the Mannis
-Arya leaving Hound
-Tywin/Tyrion/Shae
-Lady Stoneheart

That's the most variety of mind blowing shit I can think of out of any GoT episode actually, not just a finale.

[MF Perm tha Fineass]

someone remind me why it's Mannis

[Plow]

someone remind me why it's Mannis

[Plow]

i want to use that as my sig this week but people will figure shit out qq

[Palin]

Why not? No spoilers in there.

[BadKarma]

Stannis the Mannis goes from curmudgeon to Tywin v2.0 in the books

[Plow]

Why not? No spoilers in there.

ok but if archie cries cuz now he thinks ser dick cheese is doing something next week I'm blaming you

[Plow]

in seriousness, though

someone remind me why it's Mannis

because he's the one king who views it as his responsibility rather than simply his right

because he saves the seven kingdoms from the wildlings when no one else would

most importantly...

Because he marches on the Boltons, as a Stormlander, in the North, during winter... in the name of the Starks. All this despite the fact that Robb (and Cat) wouldn't bend the knee, knowing full well that the reason they're in that situation was directly their refusal to do so.