A Song of Ice and Fire (Book discussion)

[BaneTheBrawler]

the seed is weak

[Valisk]

I think that's pretty common for half blood Targs. Normally the Targ genes are so visible is because both parents are Targaryen.

Aegon 6 has the Targaryen features and he was half Martell. But I get it. It would be hard to deceive the reader and explain to Catelyn that you have a purple-eyed, silver-haired child by some lowborn tavern wench. So I will concede:

the seed is weak

[BadKarma]

There's also the whole Aegon is a blackfyre theory

[Zetanio]

There's also the whole Aegon is a blackfyre theory

He'd still technically be a Targaryen, just with less of a claim.

[Valisk]

Any theories on how the r + l = j information will be revealed to the reader? Howland Reed is the only one who is still alive from the Tower of Joy so it has to be via him or a Bran greenseer/warg vision from the past right?

[Plow]

Any theories on how the r + l = j information will be revealed to the reader? Howland Reed is the only one who is still alive from the Tower of Joy so it has to be via him or a Bran greenseer/warg vision from the past right?

Jojen stated on the show that he's seen it.

It's probably either coming as a Bran vision via Jojen paste, or Jojen is legit not dead in the books yet.

I can't see Howland and Bran meeting up unless it's in dream world.

[Eurell]

Jojen stated on the show that he's seen it.

It's probably either coming as a Bran vision via Jojen paste, or Jojen is legit not dead in the books yet.

I can't see Howland and Bran meeting up unless it's in dream world.

Not even trying to argue with you or anything, but holy fuck I hate the jojen paste theory lol. I don't buy a lot of theories, but can totally see how they could be possible. But jojen paste always just seemed ridiculous to me.

[Valisk]

I can't see Howland and Bran meeting up unless it's in dream world.

Yea I don't see that either. I meant it as two separate scenarios. Either we get confirmation from a Bran vision of the past OR Howland Reed reveals the information in the future.

Also I suppose Wylla can also reveal the information. Seeing how Lyanna died birthing Jon, it's fair to conclude that Wylla was brought in as a decoy (and as Jon's milk mother accoriding to Edric Dayne). Some portion of TWOW will take place in Dorne with Arianne and with the Kingsguard+Obara trying to track down Darkstar for cutting Myrcella. I imagine that we will stumble upon Wylla at some point.

[Stilzkin]

But jojen paste always just seemed ridiculous to me.

I've never understood this reaction.

There are hundreds of silly, contrived, theories about this series yet somehow the theory about the kid who went missing in the ominous chapters being in the bloody oatmeal is always brought up as an example of a ridiculous theory.

There is nothing far fetched about the theory. Ridiculous theories are those that require half the story to be some conspiratorial plot that somehow managed to account for everything (half the characters are loyal to Doran) or those that are obviously absurd (Daario is Benjen).

[fantasticdan]

Not even trying to argue with you or anything, but holy fuck I hate the jojen paste theory lol. I don't buy a lot of theories, but can totally see how they could be possible. But jojen paste always just seemed ridiculous to me.

Asoiaf characters/events are heavily inspired by norse mythlogy/ragnarok, and I'm pretty sure jojen is based on this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kvasir

TLDR: A dude born with superhuman knowledge roamed the world spreading information and answering questions, until some dwarves lured him into their cave, killed him, drained his blood, and used it to make mead that would bestow his wisdom unto whoever drank it.

[BaneTheBrawler]

the jojenpaste theory seems... not implausible, but somewhat extreme, even for asoiaf. idk, i just don't buy it. plus i hate it.

i have two rough ideas for how they'll reveal it. 1: bran sees ned talk about it with ben (i'm sure he knew) through the heart tree at winterfell. 2: Some new type of interaction with the Starks in their tomb. there've been an awful lot of instances where the starks wake up having dreamed of that tomb, i think there might be something there.

[Stilzkin]

Any theories on how the r + l = j information will be revealed to the reader? Howland Reed is the only one who is still alive from the Tower of Joy so it has to be via him or a Bran greenseer/warg vision from the past right?

There is also the theory that Jon will eventually find something in Lyanna's tomb.

[Plow]

so I just now realized Ygritte died pregnant with Jon's kid

[BaneTheBrawler]

what prompted that? i could see that being the case, but i don't remember anything that would give that impression.

[Plow]

jon fever dream when he first gets back has him saying to ygritte "I won't father a bastard" and ygritte responding "You know nothing, Jon Snow"

[BaneTheBrawler]

oh snap

[Zeb]

jon fever dream when he first gets back has him saying to ygritte "I won't father a bastard" and ygritte responding "You know nothing, Jon Snow"

Pretty sure he was right though. Unless we get Stonefetus to go with Stoneheart

[Viq]

Wait wait wait... You mean two people repeatedly having unprotected sex resulted in pregnancy?! This right here is a theory I simply can not believe.

[Nekonaruto]

It's too cold beyond the wall. The second you cum, it freezes...ergo: no Jongritte.

[chazzyphizzle]

but he all up in dat warm cut, jon's snow will survive