A Song of Ice and Fire (Book discussion)

**Tyrath** · 2014-09-04 00:53

Well either way, I'm not gonna take this as gospel until I see more confirmation. Won't bother me one way or the other.

**Plow** · 2014-09-04 02:31

Yeah who knows for sure, and of course it's entirely possible that they shot some of this season while they had them there since it's one of the few sets that won't change at all for quite a while. It would be quite a lot of work to set that room up and get everyone there to use it for like 1 minute of the season then let it sit for a year.

I'll be sad tho if there's a full year of no Hodor. Kristian is fucking amazing.

**BadKarma** · 2014-09-04 16:24

I feel like Kristian is actually under appreciated becauSe he only ever says one thing.

Takes some chops to convey emotion with just inflection and body language

**Qalbert** · 2014-09-04 18:11

I am Groot.

**Plow** · 2014-09-04 20:23

Originally Posted by BadKarma

I feel like Kristian is actually under appreciated becauSe he only ever says one thing.

Takes some chops to convey emotion with just inflection and body language

seriously

his line here is the best acted moment by anyone in the entire series:

that little like facial inflection after he says it... soooooooooo goooooooooooooood

**Plow** · 2014-09-06 14:50

remind me not to read threads on reddit in places where show only people are prevalent

there's a different tournament going on from the /whowouldwin sub, and gregor is beating Hotah by a 2-1 margin

areo hotah

the guy oberyn's niece says "No man can stand before"

is getting trounced

by the guy oberyn completely dominated til he did something retarded at the end

in a tournament where one of the rules is neither fighter will do retarded shit like that

and the arguments... sigh

**Rhinox** · 2014-09-06 18:32

You should feel right at home then.

**BadKarma** · 2014-09-06 21:16

We've still never really seen Hotah go off. So who knows

**tyven** · 2014-09-06 23:24

Didn't he kill a kingsguard in like 1 swing?

**Snprphnx** · 2014-09-07 01:42

Originally Posted by BadKarma

I feel like Kristian is actually under appreciated becauSe he only ever says one thing.

Takes some chops to convey emotion with just inflection and body language

you should check out the Game of Owns podcast. they have Kristian on every now and then, including a 3 part interview a while back. He seems like a really cool guy.

**Plow** · 2014-09-07 03:57

Originally Posted by tyven

Didn't he kill a kingsguard in like 1 swing?

a wounded Arys that was basically on a suicide charge, but yeah, 1 shot

Originally Posted by BadKarma

We've still never really seen Hotah go off. So who knows

If Oberyn's family thinks Areo is untouchable, it's safe to assume he's at the very least slightly better than Oberyn.

Plus, after Robert and his hammer, Areo and Victarion's longaxes are probably the best melee weapons for heavily armored combat in the series, assuming vsteel/dawn can't just cut through armor.

You want heavy, blunt blows, you need reach for fighting something like Gregor, and the axes even have the benefit of dismembering better than even a broadsword.

I'm very confident Areo Hotah would downright embarrass Gregor Clegane in single combat.

**Valisk** · 2014-09-07 07:49

It probably has everything to do with exposure. It is well documented that Ser Gergor is the biggest and most feared man in Westeros. That is referenced by several POVs.

As for Areo, you're left to take the word a 23 year old loyalist who has rarely, if ever, traveled outside of Dorne at this point. So even her information about Areo is 2nd hand versus men who have seen Ser Gregor in combat.

**Plow** · 2014-09-07 09:24

He's mentioned often as being huge, and occasionally as being fast for his size, but...

Gregor has never had an impressive 1 on 1 combat mentioned in the series. We know he enters tournaments, because we've seen him lose one-- we've never heard of him having won any.

We've never heard of him going into combat with any of the big names when it comes to skill...

We know he killed Beric a couple times (notably Beric who has no meaningful accomplishments as opposed to Thoros who has tourney wins including occasionally beating Beric directly), and he beat "Ser" Hugh and Balon Swann in a joust... and that's literally it. I mean, it really says quite a lot about the guy that Ned, who may or may not be a great fighter but is undoubtedly a great commander, felt Thoros and Beric were good enough to go and get him, unaware there was a substantial army there in addition to The Mountain's Men.

His accomplishments really amount to "has killed a whole hell of a lot of simple men-at-arms and children, and pulled off a double kill on Oberyn when Oberyn was being stupid." And oh yeah he couldn't kill an unarmed Loras Tyrell while attacking unexpectedly before Sandor stepped in clowned him.

Really it's because it's people watching the show that haven't read the books. It's much more apparent when you read the thread because of how many arguments are based entirely on show-only stuff, like "All he'd have to do is break his axe like he did Oberyn's spear!"

Which makes it especially amusing since a few months ago none of those people would really think Gregor was anything special anyway lol.

**Tyrath** · 2014-09-07 11:38

Dude. Once again. Jaime lost to Syrio in that tournament. The greatest natural swordsman Barristan ever saw lost to a water dancer from Braavos. That tournament is garbage.

**Plow** · 2014-09-07 12:04

Different tournament.

Jaime lost to Barristan 79-76 in this one.

He beat mance and then Bran controlling hodor, both like 250-10 ; ;

show viewers don't know shit about the mance

**Tyrath** · 2014-09-07 12:04

Doesn't matter. Held in the same place. No credibility as far as I'm concerned. Although this loss is better than Syrio.

**BaneTheBrawler** · 2014-09-07 20:14

bran warging hodor lol

**Plow** · 2014-09-08 01:29

http://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comme...irs_vengeance/

shitty theorizing (albeit shitty theorizing that leads to AERON RIDING A KRAKEN INTO WAR AGAINST EURON) but it led to this line of reply...

Need an Aeron-Victarion buddy comedy/vengeance movie. Need it now.

"Coming this fall on ABC, Two Nuncles"

Nonononono

Two and a Half Krakens

Aeron and Victarion

*face shots*

Are two ordinary guys

*pan out, show them in their Westerosi garb*

With ordinary lives

*shot of Victarion fucking shit up with his axe, shot of Aeron drowning children as he does (not showing the resuscitation)*

Until one day, they find...a baby kraken

*shot of them both looking at it - Vic: "Is that..." Aeron: "I think so..."Both look at their sigils, back at the kraken to verify, repeat for comedic effect.. Silence. Vic: "So...what do we do with it?"*

And soon, they find out...that raising a kraken...can get slippery

*montage shots of them raising kraken. End on shot of it fully grown and looming over them*

It's a tale of love

*shot of them watching Baby Kraken sleeping in a fishtank*

Laughter

*shot of the three in a restaurant. Vic orders the calamari.*

And life.

*Shot of the brothers waving Baby Kraken off on a bus to college*

And it's one that you'll never forget

*Aeron gazes lovingly at pictures of Baby Kraken, says to them "I'll never forget you".

Aeron Greyjoy

*shot of Aeron brading seaweed into his hair*

Victarion Greyjoy

*shot of Vic teaching Baby Kraken how to sharpen an axe*

and Rob Schneider

*shot of Rob Schneider in an awful kraken costume*

Are

Two and a Half Krakens

Rated PG-13.

**BaneTheBrawler** · 2014-09-08 06:51

LOL lost it at rob schneider

**Qalbert** · 2014-09-08 08:24

http://winteriscoming.net/2014/09/04...-game-thrones/

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