4-13-11 Abyssea Adjustments

[NynJa]

What is the question? They are annoyed because... its annoying. Just because you have one emp weapon doesn't mean you aren't "allowed" to make another. They are the best weapons for most jobs and there isn't much left to do anymore. Stop being dumb.

Because someone really needs a Ukon + Twash + Vere + Masa + Kannagi...

[Plow]

My LS can fly through the first stage of a lot of the emp. weapons in a few hours, aka briarus.

Adding +2 upgrade pieces is just going to mean what used to be competing with one or two duo teams for popping nms is now just going to become much worse.

Tahrongi is pretty much dead unless you're doing a weapon, now that they're throwing +2 items in the pool, I can easily see ppl sitting on chukwu just because "I gotta have my +2!" and cockblocking weapons even more.

However, this will finally give the people trying to bribe shout their requests for aid on glavoid a reason to shout.
aka no more "Shells locked, but hey! you get a worthless headpiece or an atma!!" stupid shit in PJ.

the light change wasn't even needed, not too hard to check a blue chest to judge for light strength.

the blu change is pretty much the same.

Welcome changes for the idiot masses, but for advanced groups that focus primarily on weapons, every one of these changes means more competition from people who think 5/5 pink gear is the way to go.

I dunno if you've noticed, but anything that's *not* related to a weapon pretty much sits up 95% of the time at this point. Pretty sure the logic behind putting them in visions zones is so more people might actually be interested in helping.

Because someone really needs a Ukon + Twash + Vere + Masa + Kannagi...

I could make very regular use of prob ummm... at least 5. Axe (bst), dagger (thf), fists (mnk), gaxe (war), scythe or gsd (drk), kanna...

If I had all 6 of those, all except drk would see near daily use in situations where they'd be quite useful. Drk would be more like weekly.

[Sho]

There's no real promise that emps will remain on top anyways, especially now that SE knows of it's extreme ease to get at least the 85 version.

[S N K]

the best post

I concur.

[jimbobsonofgod]

I'm betting they are gonna add +2 shit to stuff that force spawn/world spawn that isn't part of the emp weapon line. shit like Chasmic Hornet Karkinos , Ironclads , Smok, you know the mobs that people stopped caring about.

Square has done some ass backwards things in the hopes to improve things in this game but I highly doubt they are going to solve abyssea congestion by adding drops to mobs that are congested.

Square probably thinks that the problem with congestion is everyone is trying to do +2 item upgrades but are being cockblocked by people doing emp weapons but its really the other way around. So their solution is going to be to add +2 items to mobs that aren't part of the emp weapon line so that people who are just wanting +2 items aren't cockblocked by emp weapon groups.
Which will solve nothing.

[Kuishen]

I'm betting they are gonna add +2 shit to stuff that force spawn/world spawn that isn't part of the emp weapon line. shit like Chasmic Hornet Karkinos , Ironclads , Smok, you know the mobs that people stopped caring about.

Square has done some ass backwards things in the hopes to improve things in this game but I highly doubt they are going to solve abyssea congestion by adding drops to mobs that are congested.

Square probably thinks that the problem with congestion is everyone is trying to do +2 item upgrades but are being cockblocked by people doing emp weapons but its really the other way around. So their solution is going to be to add +2 items to mobs that aren't part of the emp weapon line so that people who are just wanting +2 items aren't cockblocked by emp weapon groups.
Which will solve nothing.

Honestly with some of the shit they've done I think it's a 50/50 whether or not they do what you said or adding shit to Glavoid/Bri/Chloris/Sobek/Itz/etc. Either nothing will change or shit will get worse. :\

Still racing to get through glavoids for my dagger before update hits though.

[Esvedium]

Square probably thinks that the problem with congestion is everyone is trying to do +2 item upgrades but are being cockblocked by people doing emp weapons but its really the other way around. So their solution is going to be to add +2 items to mobs that aren't part of the emp weapon line so that people who are just wanting +2 items aren't cockblocked by emp weapon groups.
Which will solve nothing.

So the problem is people doing empys are cockblocking wanting +2 only, but placing +2 items on other mobs isn't going to solve anything? That's either a logic fail on your part or a reading comprehension fail on mine.

[Isiolia]

So the problem is people doing empys are cockblocking wanting +2 only, but placing +2 items on other mobs isn't going to solve anything? That's either a logic fail on your part or a reading comprehension fail on mine.

He's saying that SE is acting as though congestion issues are due to +2 items, but in actuality they're due to upgrading weapons. SE's "fix" is treating a symptom, not the cause.

[Thuronn]

For someone like me who's just gotten back to the game after an extended break, and no linkshell, this is a god send.

I'm currently in the situation of I'm not geared, no atmas, so people don't really wanna invite to invite me, which I totally understand and tell them beforehand.

[Esvedium]

He's saying that SE is acting as though congestion issues are due to +2 items, but in actuality they're due to upgrading weapons. SE's "fix" is treating a symptom, not the cause.

Ok, so comprehension fail on my part. I agree.

[Ophannus]

Is DRG the only job that only has 1 kind of +2 item for upgrades? I think most, if not all other jobs require different items (Coin/Card/Jewel/Stone) depending on the upgrade but is DRG the only job that requires Card of XXXX for each upgrade? Everyone knows Cards are the most annoying +2 items to get cuz most if not all come from lousy VNMs. :/

[Sprint]

Is DRG the only job that only has 1 kind of +2 item for upgrades? I think most, if not all other jobs require different items (Coin/Card/Jewel/Stone) depending on the upgrade but is DRG the only job that requires Card of XXXX for each upgrade? Everyone knows Cards are the most annoying +2 items to get cuz most if not all come from lousy VNMs. :/

war stone, sam jewel, drk coin think thats it.

[Siatdiat]

I don't think any of the +2 stuff is unreasonable. I suppose people are just upset that they aren't all perfectly even rarity or perfectly even difficulty NM wise. However, in a game where I don't really have much purpose in brewing because most stuff is easy low man I don't see why these slight inconsistencies are worth getting upset about. Right now, you can do everything in this game with a small group with flexible job choices, the only things thatise dumb to me is the cock block NMs for emps. The only reason I dont like it is it encourages people to use apps to get claim on Guku, Amun, etc. All they need to do is make that KI drop from chests, or make these NM poppable with triggers, or both.

This game is possible now to do all with a pick up group if you plan it carefully and screen the people you invite. Not even WoW can you accomplish the majority of current content with 4 dual boxers.

[Ocara]

the only things thatise dumb to me is the cock block NMs for emps. The only reason I dont like it is it encourages people to use apps to get claim on Guku, Amun, etc. All they need to do is make that KI drop from chests, or make these NM poppable with triggers, or both.

Force pops wouldn't fix what you want, it would just make it faster. If you bottleneck everyone with one ??? spot they'll just be botting for popping that instead of botting for claim. If you make KIs extremely easy to get (like from chests) you start fighting people over the ??? to pop the actual mob instead. If people are gonna bot, all you're going to do is make people bot at a different stage of the path unless you make everything instanced, which defeats the point of an MMO like ffxi. SE isn't gonna make it any easier than it already is to get emphs by speeding up one of the few cockblocks that keep people from doing 85 emph in an hour.

[Siatdiat]

Force pops wouldn't fix what you want, it would just make it faster. If you bottleneck everyone with one ??? spot they'll just be botting for popping that instead of botting for claim. If you make KIs extremely easy to get (like from chests) you start fighting people over the ??? to pop the actual mob instead. If people are gonna bot, all you're going to do is make people bot at a different stage of the path unless you make everything instanced, which defeats the point of an MMO like ffxi. SE isn't gonna make it any easier than it already is to get emphs by speeding up one of the few cockblocks that keep people from doing 85 emph in an hour.

Was mostly commenting on people acting like this is one of the most vital things to be adjusted in the game. I really don't care if they adjust it at all, the only thing close to time consuming in this game now is completing Emp, and everyone can already easily get one if they put in some effort. There are so many different set ups I have seen people use successfully for Emps, just requires maybe the ability to coordinate a bit with others and also possibly the ability to trust others as well.

However the remark of botting for the ??? claim is silly. I have never seen anyone bot the ??? for Minax Bugard, or the actual ??? for Sobek, or any of the other ???. Even if that happens, you need all KI to pop NMs, where as to claim roaming NMs, you just have to be able to claim, so only a percentage of the people there will be able to compete at any given time for a ???, whereas everyone there can be ready to claim an NM when it pops.

[Ocara]

Was mostly commenting on people acting like this is one of the most vital things to be adjusted in the game. I really don't care if they adjust it at all, the only thing close to time consuming in this game now is completing Emp, and everyone can already easily get one if they put in some effort. There are so many different set ups I have seen people use successfully for Emps, just requires maybe the ability to coordinate a bit with others and also possibly the ability to trust others as well.

However the remark of botting for the ??? claim is silly. I have never seen anyone bot the ??? for Minax Bugard, or the actual ??? for Sobek, or any of the other ???. Even if that happens, you need all KI to pop NMs, where as to claim roaming NMs, you just have to be able to claim, so only a percentage of the people there will be able to compete at any given time for a ???, whereas everyone there can be ready to claim an NM when it pops.

Most of the people I've seen (on my server anywya) getting in my way on every emph-related mob in the zone are from one ls that brings 8+ people and splits up amongst KI dropping pops, free spawn nms, and the main mob, and just rotates people around to get KIs at each spot. I'm sure if these lses could pop all mobs for KI they'd have people rotate-farming KI at all times when doing emph mob spams (because it's important to have 15 emphs per member of your ls apparently.)

[Siatdiat]

Most of the people I've seen (on my server anywya) getting in my way on every emph-related mob in the zone are from one ls that brings 8+ people and splits up amongst KI dropping pops, free spawn nms, and the main mob, and just rotates people around to get KIs at each spot. I'm sure if these lses could pop all mobs for KI they'd have people rotate-farming KI at all times when doing emph mob spams (because it's important to have 15 emphs per member of your ls apparently.)

It still isnt comparable. Procs are needed on each NM for 100% ki, or they are wasting time, also they are probably going to maximize time and proc for seals while they are at it too. It isnt like they split into 4 duos and kill separate shit and max on KI super fast. Even if that was possible, every time they pop they would lose KI and be back to the drawing board of collecting them. If it really would still be a huge cockblock, then I suppose you haven't worked on farming 80 stage emps. After cleaving for KI, fill in missing KI with popped NM and red triggers, and then go kill chloris/glavoid, I never see people standing around ??? waiting to pop.

[Byrthnoth]

Certainly wasn't the case last night. We have 4 groups with at least 9 pops total (our last was the 9th popped and then I warped) standing around the Glavoid ??? spamming. The group that got claim first took 45 minutes to mostly wipe to it and brew for the kill. They brewed their second one (a new brew). 400k cruor (1mil gil) for two Glavoids... tards.

[Siatdiat]

Lol is all I know to say to that. Almost wiping and brewing an NM that I have duoed and will be able to solo dual box once I have blm sub on my whm mule is sad. I doubt those kinds of tards will consistently be out there.

[Byrthnoth]

I'm hoping they aren't. Normally I wouldn't sit around and waste time at a ???, but I was trading someone Chlorises for Glavoids and wanted my half of the deal.