Weapon Skills

**Stromgarde** · 2012-02-18 18:01

I remember reading Camlann's Torment is just Camlann in katakana, similar to the Reue thing above.

**Foldypaws** · 2012-02-18 18:37

Originally Posted by Byrthnoth

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giving -50% Defense at 100TP. Google translates it as Giant Swing, which doesn't seem like what we're going for here. It seems unverified or something.

That's Wheeling Thrust.

**Stromgarde** · 2012-02-20 01:00

Camlann's Torment 100% TP data

1335 - T
1009 - EM
1146 - T
1229 - T
1260 - EM
1555 - EM (Maybe DATK?)
1316 - EM
942 - EM
770 - T
1015 - T
1121 - T
1433 - EM
828 - EM

Had Atma of Apoc on as well, so I may have to redo testing if this doesn't fall within expected values.

Gear:

**Byrthnoth** · 2012-02-20 01:35

132+20+92 = 244
244*3 = 732

1433/732 = 1.96 (EM) :: Ratio is greater than 1.54 :: 1.54 = 708/(518*?) :: More than 12% defense ignored
770/732 = 1.05 (T) :: Ratio is less than 1.55 (+.05 level correction = 1.6) :: 1.6 = 708/(521*?) :: Less than or equal to 15% defense ignored?

Looks like it starts at 12~15% defense ignored to me. Probable values are 12.5%, 13.3333%, and 15%.

1555 would not work unless it was a DA.

**Stromgarde** · 2012-02-20 01:45

One more unusual thing before I head off for the night; it appeared that 300% aftermath was not overwriting itself. Am I going crazy?

**dasva** · 2012-02-20 01:46

Nope not crazy

**Byrthnoth** · 2012-02-20 01:47

Naw, Level 2 doesn't overwrite itself either. SE is a bag of cawks.

**Stromgarde** · 2012-02-20 14:37

Camlann's Torment 200% TP data
1514 - T
1514 - EM
1309 - EM
2868 - EM (triple hit)
1595 - EM (single hit)
1370 - EM
791 - EM (single hit)
1497 - EM
1481 - EM
1519 - EM
1316 - T

Would have had more samples but conserve TP/double attack/sekkanoki glitching and sekkanoki staying on for longer than it should have after clicking it off probably corrupted at least half that number.

**Byrthnoth** · 2012-02-20 15:22

If it was the same setup (same potency cruor buffs, everything):
132+19+91 = 242
242*3 = 726

1595/726 = 2.2 (EM) :: Ratio is greater than 1.7 :: 1.7 = 708/(518*?) :: More than 20% defense ignored
791/726 = 1.09 (EM) :: Still not possible
1309/726 = 1.8 (EM) :: Ratio less than 2.2

Needs moar data!

**Stromgarde** · 2012-02-20 16:00

Looks like more testing is required, in any case... why do you have to be such a bitch 200% tp data points!

**Scrooge** · 2012-02-22 18:00

No idea if this has ever been posted before, so excuse if this is old info.

Regarding Weapon Skill Damage +% gear, it appears to be a separate term from relic/mythic 90/99 multipliers.

SAM/WHM against Savanna Rarabs outside Windurst, using Namas at x1.4

Without Ogier's Breeches : 3452 dmg
With Ogier's Breeches : 3554 dmg

137 str, 123 agi gives 54.8 + 49.2 = 104 * 0.85 = 88.4 floored to 88
126 Yoichi + 41 Antlion Arrow + 44 fSTR + 88 wsc = 299

299 * 2.75 * 3.0 = 2466.75

2466 * 1.4 = 3452.4 (which fits perfectly; alternatively 2466.75 x (1 + 409/1024) comes out to 3452.004639)

If it were additive:
2466 * 1.43 = 3526 (which is not close to what I actually got)

If it were separate term multiplicative:
2466 * 1.4 = 3452.4 * 1.03 = 3555.972

One off from the value of 3554 I actually got, so there's some rounding/flooring/1024ths BS going on somewhere I'm not aware of, but it should be pretty clear that relic/mythic multipliers are not purely additive with Weapon Skill Dmg +% gear.

**Nightfyre** · 2012-02-22 18:19

It was tested here, though I don't think True Shot's placement was ever determined. Could you test that?

**Scrooge** · 2012-02-22 18:33

Amusing, I was only behind the times by a year and ten days.

Huh. Well that explains why I got 3554 in game and kept calculating 3555. Gear before Namas multiplier, which should be intuitive but guess I wasn't thinking clearly.

Any other gear besides Anwig Salade that RNG can use with wsdmg increase? Otherwise, I'll have to remake it to test True Shot placement.

**dasva** · 2012-02-22 19:28

I don't think there is gear but there are a couple of atmas

**Nightfyre** · 2012-03-21 01:30

Refulgent Arrow is either broken or has a misleading description. I've been pewpewing with it for a while on the test server and I've never landed a second hit.

**Byrthnoth** · 2012-03-23 01:51

Someone asked me to test Stringing Pummel a while ago. It turns out equipping Mythic weapons gives you access to the WS, so I tried to do that a little last night. The crit rate bonus is substantial even at 100TP. I will continue testing tonight to try and get it more accurate and then probably move on to 300TP.

**Nightfyre** · 2012-03-24 22:50

Scourge's critrate aftermath is 5%, akin to Mercy Stroke. 592 hits without a noncrit using RR/DD/Plaguebringer, full merits, Ragnarok 99, Rancor Collar, and a crit+1 Light Earring.

**Raelia** · 2012-03-25 23:09

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Scourge's critrate aftermath is 5%

**Jem** · 2012-03-26 03:43

Doesn't surprise me. It never felt like much. Using Scourge over Reso to keep up aftermath never showed any discernible improvement in damage, if at all.

**Byrthnoth** · 2012-03-26 16:10

Exenterator is 90 seconds at 100TP, 135 at 200TP, and 180 at 300TP. It was a straight upgrade.

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