[dev1009] New Trigger Conditions for Notorious Monsters

[Vucian]

in before aspi/nid/kb dropping pop items for t3 kings for level 99.

[Greatguardian]

Even if they drop every 5 minutes and you get zero Beastman Seals out of it you're still looking at just over 8 full hours per pop. Unless it's too late and my math is off or I'm missing something.

Technically you can do it in around 3 hours if you abuse a mule or two to make a 3-party Alliance, but that's still a best case scenario.

[Karbuncle]

Wasn't this the change proposed by player years ago that was given to SE via Sage Sundi? Wasn't it praised??

Almost positive it was.

in other words, unless trig conversion is 100% from KS orb -> nq -> hq all the way.. this is a nerf.

Said in the notes "* At least one of these items will be dropped in every battle." I'm assuming that means 100% "Upgrade" Chance for BCNM > FAF > NID etc. BY assume i mean hope.

Even if they drop every 5 minutes and you get zero Beastman Seals out of it you're still looking at just over 8 full hours per pop. Unless it's too late and my math is off or I'm missing something.

Still 3x Faster than Original Windows.

(I'm being slightly sarcastic here, I admit)



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As for my Opinion on this, I really don't mind the change. Never camped kings, never had a reason too, Never cared too, All their drops (outside of BB items, and Maybe Dring) Suck now. Maybe N.Legs+1 are still good for THF Weaponskills...

Really, I think they should have handled how to get the pop items differently, maybe it'd be met a little better if it came from Multiple BCNM/KSNM's like the Ouryu-Orb from ENMs.

Either way, I don't think all the butthurt from outdated NMs is needed. Unless you solo these guy, You have friends who likely have KS, so while you only have ~200/500/900, your friends have some too. Can get ~5 of you, do 5 KSNM99s, get 5 pops, Pop 5 Minis, then pop 5 kings all in a little ways of work.

So yah, I don't think its a nerf, You get a chance at BB items some gil from KSNM99, and the drop for pop according to thing is 100%.

And so long as you're not soloing them all, you can do multiple pops back to back.

[Lyall]

Technically you can do it in around 3 hours if you abuse a mule or two to make a 3-party Alliance, but that's still a best case scenario.

Yeah, I thought of that after I posted but didn't bother to edit. It's a valid point, but still. Forcing bare minimum 3 hours on friends and watching killshots on EP mobs isn't exactly time well spent. I honestly feel bad for monks.

[Not Kuno]

Do people still fight fafnir and shit? This is way too late for me to really give a shit, honestly.

[Lyall]

"At least one trigger will drop blah blah blah." Maybe we're looking at 1-2/kill? That would help a bit, turning one orb into potentially 4 HQs is a much more fair trade.

[Pikarya]

ITT: People have high hopes for Square-Enix.

[rienea]

Alliance of 3 parties with only 3 people in it would work for speeding up KS farming though right, since you can get one KS per party in the alliance per 5 mins, I think?

*beaten* didn't refresh page before typing

[Lyramion]

That´s what someone already said. I like the change really lol... but annoyed we burned our KS 99 few weeks ago for shiz n giggles.




ALSO: KS99 Merc burns coming back to your server ! Heard it here first !

[Lyall]

ITT: People have high hopes for Square-Enix.

I'm just agog over SE making a dead and boring-to-obtain currency is now required (as far as we know) to fight things that are still extremely relevant to monks. You'd have to specifically NOT be doing anything productive in order to farm a shot at a shot at a shot for an item.

Mind-blowing how this is a good idea now.

[Spira]

ok then, my eyes glossed over the red text...

given that at least 1 orb drops per battle, then it does actually increase the rate at which you can attempt nidhogg by a ton = more d.rings for all.

the only question is whether people are willing to use 99 ks just for a shot at that...
for this you also have to consider what else you could spend the KS on.. and I think at this point for most people, its nothing

[Colenzo]

That´s what someone already said. I like the change really lol... but annoyed we burned our KS 99 few weeks ago for shiz n giggles.




ALSO: KS99 Merc burns coming back to your server ! Heard it here first !

you talk like its hard to beat any of this crap with less than a party of people lol

[Karbuncle]

you talk like its hard to beat any of this crap with less than a party of people lol

According to the complaints at the other Forum (Official BAAWWWWWWW QQ i mean), Apparently theres a lot of people who don't have Kindred seals.

Maybe they were burning them for KSNM30's for ... 20k a pop? IDK. either way, I think Merc'in these will probably be profitable in the end lol...

Sad sad truths

[Rocl]

best case scenario: you can get KS99 orbs from HKC and KC

worst case scenario: everything else you guys have said

[Mizunos]

Fafnir/Adamantoise/Behemoth pop items from KS99 need to be sellable.

[Mojo]

A practical way to obtain Defending Ring and people are complaining? WTF?

[Karbuncle]

A practical way to obtain Defending Ring and people are complaining? WTF?

People Will always Complain.

Always.

[Salmijr]

Thats because a larger amount of people are thinking about BB items and not Dring. Still a stupid changed too late in the game.

[orson]

A practical way to obtain Defending Ring and people are complaining? WTF?

Farming EPs is way harder than just doing nothing for 3 hrs to maybe get a fight.

[Greatguardian]

Thats because a larger amount of people are thinking about BB items and not Dring. Still a stupid changed too late in the game.

For anyone who was using KS99s to get a BB, this just doubled their odds of getting one. For anyone who was using HNMs to get a BB, why the fuck don't they have one after 10 years?

Edit: Admittedly this does severely hamper the market for selling BB items. Not many groups will be spawning HQ kings for their drops and not BB items.