Scion FR-S

[kuronosan]

Someone let me know when Scion comes out with a real SUV and AWD. Sexy car is sexy.

[BerenTebogo]

idk man. Still a scion.

I like my TC just fine and all but it's all plasticy and stuffs.

[RKenshin]

idk man. Still a scion.

I like my TC just fine and all but it's all plasticy and stuffs.

I'd be perfectly happy/content with everything if the paint job just stood up a bit better never getting black again, that's for sure.

[Korietsu]

It's still going to be a POS.

Just buy an impreza and get it over with.

[RKenshin]

Impreza isn't a POS? lol

[Korietsu]

Impreza isn't a POS? lol

I honestly don't know if you're joking.

For the price point of that FR-S, you'll probably be able to pick up at least a WRX Impreza, or have enough money to turbo a base model, and have a much better experience.

[jmc]

Impreza isn't a POS? lol

I've owned a 2007 impreza base non-turbo model.

Then purchased a 2009 impreza wrx.

Both were not even close to POS's

[notorious bum]

I missed that memo too. Must be some bad history with them to make a bold statement like that.

As for the car at hand:
http://images2.memegenerator.net/Ima...cca-Black-Meme

[*Shinzon*]

I honestly don't know if you're joking.

For the price point of that FR-S, you'll probably be able to pick up at least a WRX Impreza, or have enough money to turbo a base model, and have a much better experience.

The Toyota/Scion version is going to be your bargain basement true RWD sports car following the Hyundai Genesis mold if they ever build it. The Subaru version is going to be the real performer and with the ability to maybe option it with AWD/turbo. It's the kind of car that is going have no real competition except maybe the G35. Gonna be more expensive. Maybe also the Golf R but that's a sticky comparison because the Golf R is a hot-hatch and not so much a true sports car. Might actually grab buyers who are aiming at an A5 now that I think about it, along with the BMW 3xi series models.

The Scion version would compete price wise with the WRX, if initial reports are true, in which case a car like the WRX is much more practical and worthwhile. But everyone has different needs so we'll see. Basically I agree with your assessment but too early to tell.

[Isiolia]

I honestly don't know if you're joking.

For the price point of that FR-S, you'll probably be able to pick up at least a WRX Impreza, or have enough money to turbo a base model, and have a much better experience.

Few turbo a base Impreza - it's more cost effective to sell it and buy a WRX to start with.

IMO, the Scion version may still be good enough. It'll depend on the price point, and what exactly winds up being in it, which we don't know for sure yet.

It'll be interesting though, since, IMO, Scions tend to be more about the sheet metal, and Subaru a lot more about what's under it.

Not that I entirely disagree - a 5-door WRX will probably still cost less, and be a hell of a lot more practical as a daily driver.

[Dantrag]

Been follow this car for a while D; can't wait.

[RKenshin]

I honestly don't know if you're joking.

For the price point of that FR-S, you'll probably be able to pick up at least a WRX Impreza, or have enough money to turbo a base model, and have a much better experience.

It was sort of a half-joke half-jab at your statement.

I know they're not shitty cars by any stretch, but I wouldn't call any Scion a shitty car either. There are plenty of real, actual shitty cars out there and neither of those two car brands meet that.

Or well, I guess it depends how you define shitty. Clunker, garbage, unreliable? Overpriced, under-performing, flashy? Part quality, engine quality, material quality?

I'm actually not too much of a fan of Impreza's though. I know quite a few friends that have one and I specifically had my sights on the base model when I was looking at cars, but [correct if wrong] it seemed like a poor choice compared to the Scion tC in comparing 2011 models (lower MPG/horsepower/speeds/handling/dependability ratings, most other aspects exactly the same [including price], in exchange for 4-doors and AWD [I don't care much for either]).

But, in all fairness I'm probably just a bit biased towards Toyota in the first place. 200k+ on a Camry without anything more than oil changes and tire rotations made me drink the koolaid.

[Korietsu]

The Toyota/Scion version is going to be your bargain basement true RWD sports car following the Hyundai Genesis mold if they ever build it. The Subaru version is going to be the real performer and with the ability to maybe option it with AWD/turbo. It's the kind of car that is going have no real competition except maybe the G35. Gonna be more expensive. Maybe also the Golf R but that's a sticky comparison because the Golf R is a hot-hatch and not so much a true sports car. Might actually grab buyers who are aiming at an A5 now that I think about it, along with the BMW 3xi series models.

The Scion version would compete price wise with the WRX, if initial reports are true, in which case a car like the WRX is much more practical and worthwhile. But everyone has different needs so we'll see. Basically I agree with your assessment but too early to tell.

Just facepalm. First, the G35 is rebadged Nissan Z. It doesn't compete with anything from Toyota or Subaru. Infinity is just the "luxury brand" of Nissan, similar to Ford and Lincoln. The only thing the Golf R/GTI is going to be trying to compete with is the Focus ST/RS when it comes stateside, and not many people aren't going to be buying GTI's when they can pick up the new ST. And the whole A5/3-Series thing, they aren't competing with foreign cars for sports car sales, they're fighting with each other and the Mustang.

I will agree though, this whole thing is going to be an overpriced, overbadged design, and will probably lose sales to it's bigger brother. The whole car is shenanigans. 18" Carbon Ceramic Brakes? I can get half a new Mustang GT for the price of that and to top it off, Carbon Ceramic Brakes SUCK FOR DAILY DRIVING. Don't get enough heat in them to be as effective as regular brakes, since the operational temp is higher. If they're trying to market this as a track car they're going the wrong way for sure.

The whole car market is fucked right now and the only people still kicking ass are Ford, BMW, Chevy's 'Vette factory, and quite possibly Hyundai if they got their heads out of their asses and put the V8 in the genesis coupe. Also, lol@subaru for taking out DFI on the base model impreza. Seriously, been in there for 10 years, why take it out when it's a benefit, only reason why they don't make my kickass list.

It was sort of a half-joke half-jab at your statement.

I know they're not shitty cars by any stretch, but I wouldn't call any Scion a shitty car either. There are plenty of real, actual shitty cars out there and neither of those two car brands meet that.

Or well, I guess it depends how you define shitty. Clunker, garbage, unreliable? Overpriced, under-performing, flashy? Part quality, engine quality, material quality?

I'm actually not too much of a fan of Impreza's though. I know quite a few friends that have one and I specifically had my sights on the base model when I was looking at cars, but [correct if wrong] it seemed like a poor choice compared to the Scion tC in comparing 2011 models (lower MPG/horsepower/speeds/handling/dependability ratings, most other aspects exactly the same [including price], in exchange for 4-doors and AWD [I don't care much for either]).

But, in all fairness I'm probably just a bit biased towards Toyota in the first place. 200k+ on a Camry without anything more than oil changes and tire rotations made me drink the koolaid.

I've got 275k on a Ford Crown Victoria from 1990 with no major service. Just throwing that out there since we were talking about things that don't matter.

Sure, the tC has 10 more HP. You're losing AWD, Handling (Say hi to understeer for me), You have a low revving pain in the ass VVT on the toyota (i4 should not be red lining at 6k RPM -_-). The only thing it has going for it is the myriad of visual options. It honestly has no upside other than you can make it look like it goes fast and it gets marginally better gas mileage because it's FWD vs AWD, and probably won't perform to it's rated spec. It really is a worse car than the impreza.

You want a 2door coupe that's an awesome car? Go pick up a new V6 Stang, Twice the HP, Twice the fun, same MPG, RWD, and only 4k more on the price tag. Hell the GT gets nearly 30 MPG with proper driving and it's 414 HP M3 killing monster of a car.

[Zalius]

got family workin higher up in the toyota dealerships here, will ask them about it/pricing cause that things hot. white w/black rims. or green w/black rims. idk yet. white w/black is fuckhot though

[Dantrag]

No one knows the price point yet. And if they think they know, they're probably wrong. Again, this is a concept vehicle, it will not ship with 18" ceramic brakes. The whole point of the car is lightweight(sub 2900lbs), decent power(180-220 hp range), RWD, and sub 25k.
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[Diamicles]

First, the G35 is rebadged Nissan Z.

wrong, it's the American Market version of the Nissan Skyline. It shares a few components with the 350Z, but it is definitely not a rebadged 350Z.

anyway, back on topic -

if the Ft-86 or FR-S or whatever it's called is in fact, as Toyota claims, the next generation of the AE86 Corolla, I expect it to be a pretty nice entry level RWD sports car.

if Subaru makes a version of it, I'm positive that it will be a pretty nice quality sports car, but I doubt that it will take buyers away from marquis names like the BMW M3 (which I think is the best overall production car in the world atm) as someone mentioned earlier.

[Isiolia]

if Subaru makes a version of it, I'm positive that it will be a pretty nice quality sports car, but I doubt that it will take buyers away from marquis names like the BMW M3 (which I think is the best overall production car in the world atm) as someone mentioned earlier.

I doubt the Subaru version will cost what an M3 does. Plenty of enthusiasts will already point to how competitive a Mustang GT is to one, at half the price. Besides that it'd be a Subaru, which plenty of car enthusiasts already buy/would buy. It's not Kia is putting it out.

[jmc]

I doubt the Subaru version will cost what an M3 does. Plenty of enthusiasts will already point to how competitive a Mustang GT is to one, at half the price. Besides that it'd be a Subaru, which plenty of car enthusiasts already buy/would buy. It's not Kia is putting it out.

I honestly do not see the car costing more than the STi.

The STi is subarus pride and joy, when it comes to their sport car line. Not to mention the huge revamping they invested into changing the former STi into the '11 model

[Diamicles]

Yeah, I wouldn't think it would cost more, but depending on what Subaru wants to market it as....especially considering the lack of competition in the market niche that the Impreza occupies with Mitsubishi basically becoming an environmentally friendly car manufacturer, they might set their sights a little higher.

It's all just speculation, but I wouldn't be surprised either way really.

[Isiolia]

Long as their marketing strategy isn't to make a high(er) end car in an attempt to improve the brand image for Scion or something. If they actually make that into a car that fits the general market for Scion cars today, then even a hopped up Subaru version shouldn't break out of WRX/STi pricing. It'd also be a logical range considering it's presumed competition in the 370Z, RX-8, Genesis Coupe, Mustang GT, etc.