Scion FR-S

[*Shinzon*]

Just facepalm. First, the G35 is rebadged Nissan Z. It doesn't compete with anything from Toyota or Subaru. Infinity is just the "luxury brand" of Nissan, similar to Ford and Lincoln. The only thing the Golf R/GTI is going to be trying to compete with is the Focus ST/RS when it comes stateside, and not many people aren't going to be buying GTI's when they can pick up the new ST. And the whole A5/3-Series thing, they aren't competing with foreign cars for sports car sales, they're fighting with each other and the Mustang.

Considering how many people buy used G35s, it'll absolutely compete in that range in RWD trim, just not new. Don't even really see many new Z cars compared to used G35s, least not round these parts. Meanwhile the used G35 market is a huge market for young buyers. The subaru model will undercut sales in that regard, and give people another option was what I was getting at is all. Also would match the price of used 3 series coupes which are also pretty popular.

[Dantrag]

wrong, it's the American Market version of the Nissan Skyline. It shares a few components with the 350Z, but it is definitely not a rebadged 350Z.

anyway, back on topic -

if the Ft-86 or FR-S or whatever it's called is in fact, as Toyota claims, the next generation of the AE86 Corolla, I expect it to be a pretty nice entry level RWD sports car.

if Subaru makes a version of it, I'm positive that it will be a pretty nice quality sports car, but I doubt that it will take buyers away from marquis names like the BMW M3 (which I think is the best overall production car in the world atm) as someone mentioned earlier.

G35 is NOT a version of a skyline... not by a long shot. It is however a 350Z. Nissan Skyline = GTR. 350/370Z = G35/37.

Considering how many people buy used G35s, it'll absolutely compete in that range in RWD trim, just not new. Don't even really see many new Z cars compared to used G35s, least not round these parts. Meanwhile the used G35 market is a huge market for young buyers. The subaru model will undercut sales in that regard, and give people another option was what I was getting at is all. Also would match the price of used 3 series coupes which are also pretty popular.

The biggest point of the FR-S is that it's supposed to be small, which none of the RWD coupes right now are. And they're all pretty hefty in weight.

[*Shinzon*]

G35 is NOT a version of a skyline... not by a long shot. It is however a 350Z. Nissan Skyline = GTR. 350/370Z = G35/37.



The biggest point of the FR-S is that it's supposed to be small, which none of the RWD coupes right now are. And they're all pretty hefty in weight.

In Japan it's the same car. It is known as the Skyline.

[Eliseos]

Looks like a skinnier LFA. Not a fan of Scion (every time I see one of those boxes on wheels, I want to punch the driver), but this looks decent.

[Eliseos]

Also RE: G-35:

The Infiniti G is a compact executive/entry-level luxury car produced by Nissan's luxury brand Infiniti. The first two generations of the Infiniti G (P10 and P11) were sedans based on the Nissan Primera. Beginning with its third generation (V35), the Infiniti G have been rebadged versions of the Nissan Skyline line of sedans and coupes that were exported to the United States and Canada. The current incarnation is the fourth generation (V36) which introduced the hardtop coupe convertible. The Nissan FM platform, on top of which the 3rd and 4th generations (V35 and V36) of the Infiniti G have been built, also underpins the Nissan 350Z and has shared components with the Infiniti M, Infiniti EX, and Infiniti FX.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infiniti_G35

[Dantrag]

Sure, if you want to go by what they are calling a "skyline". Technically yes, we can go with that. But any car person that knows anything about the GT-R line knows that the G(V) series are more akin to Z's than they are to GT-R's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Skyline_GT-R

These are the real skylines. Not the 4 door sedan that were made into a coupe.

[*Shinzon*]

The Skyline Moniker is just a nickname. Plus the new model doesn't use that moniker anymore anyway. GT-R is GT-R. At any rate, going to the show today, hopefully I'll get to take a look at the car and grill them as to why it hasnt been built yet gdi.

[notorious bum]

GT-R or bust, I don't know how those other things get to be called a Skyline. Fucking eyesores.


delayed post, agreeing with Dantrag's sentiments

[Dantrag]

Here are some better pictures taken from FT-86 club, forum that we basically only talk about this and some other cars:

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...1&d=1303325545

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...0&d=1303325701

Car is fucking tiny...

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...8&d=1303325701

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...9&d=1303325701

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...6&d=1303325846

[notorious bum]

Personally, I think they could have done a better job with the headlights design. The way they taper-off looks misshapen.

[Dantrag]

We know it wont stay like that. I just hope that they try and keep it as close to this as possible.

[Diamicles]

Sure, if you want to go by what they are calling a "skyline". Technically yes, we can go with that. But any car person that knows anything about the GT-R line knows that the G(V) series are more akin to Z's than they are to GT-R's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Skyline_GT-R

These are the real skylines. Not the 4 door sedan that were made into a coupe.

you're behind the times. the Skyline hasn't had the GT-R moniker in years. They are now 2 different cars.

the Skyline in Japan is the G35 in America. They are both V36 models now. The Skyline name was disassociated with the GT-R back in the V35 generation. seriously, look it up, it's not like it's a big secret. The G35, skyline, and 350Z share the same platform. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Skyline#V35

[*Shinzon*]

The front is quite a bit more interesting than what they did to the rear :/ Ugly a sin.

[Dantrag]

you're behind the times. the Skyline hasn't had the GT-R moniker in years. They are now 2 different cars.

the Skyline in Japan is the G35 in America. They are both V36 models now. The Skyline name was disassociated with the GT-R back in the V35 generation. seriously, look it up, it's not like it's a big secret. The G35, skyline, and 350Z share the same platform. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Skyline#V35

I understand what you're saying, and as I said, yes what you're saying is true. But my point is that it's not what would be considered a skyline gt-r from the R32-R34 series.

[RKenshin]

EDIT: Holy shit@how high off the ground the car is, that's almost silly lol. It's barely up to that guy's elbow.

I've got 275k on a Ford Crown Victoria from 1990 with no major service. Just throwing that out there since we were talking about things that don't matter.

Me admitting I may have bias doesn't matter? Ok, sure lol.

It wasn't bragging, if that's how it came off. I'm well aware there are many other cars with far more miles on it than what I have experience with.

Sure, the tC has 10 more HP. You're losing AWD, Handling (Say hi to understeer for me), You have a low revving pain in the ass VVT on the toyota (i4 should not be red lining at 6k RPM -_-). The only thing it has going for it is the myriad of visual options. It honestly has no upside other than you can make it look like it goes fast and it gets marginally better gas mileage because it's FWD vs AWD, and probably won't perform to it's rated spec. It really is a worse car than the impreza.

You want a 2door coupe that's an awesome car? Go pick up a new V6 Stang, Twice the HP, Twice the fun, same MPG, RWD, and only 4k more on the price tag. Hell the GT gets nearly 30 MPG with proper driving and it's 414 HP M3 killing monster of a car.

I mentioned I didn't care for or need AWD, and I'm actually averaging higher MPG than the rated spec right now. I have a hard time believing the handling isn't a wash between the two considering the tC weighs 900lbs less and has a slightly lower center of gravity.

I actually looked at/test drove/read up on the V6 Stang too, and Camaro. It wasn't worth the extra 4-6 grand for me in either case when I wasn't going to ever take full advantage of the power/speed, especially when 90% of the driving I do is just my commute.

Combine that with what I said before and the fact I put 15-20k on the car a year, and Toyota has amazing warranties and reliability/durability ratings, and I felt the tC was a good choice.

Like I said though, that's just me. Everyone looks for different things in cars.

[jmc]

not to mention, needing to save up some extra cash for a winter car if you buy a mustang.

(if you live in a area that gets a good amount of snow)

[RKenshin]

Yeah, that was a factor too. RI had over 4' of snow this past winter.

Our roads also suck, badly. I recall an article published not too long ago saying we had the 2nd worst-rated roads in the country (as far as the condition of them goes).

Which makes me wonder, the FR-S will likely be raised up a bit higher no? I don't see it going into production with the undercarriage as low as in those photos, though it's a bit tough to tell. It looks as though it can't be much higher than 3-4 inches.

[Korietsu]

wrong, it's the American Market version of the Nissan Skyline. It shares a few components with the 350Z, but it is definitely not a rebadged 350Z.

anyway, back on topic -

if the Ft-86 or FR-S or whatever it's called is in fact, as Toyota claims, the next generation of the AE86 Corolla, I expect it to be a pretty nice entry level RWD sports car.

if Subaru makes a version of it, I'm positive that it will be a pretty nice quality sports car, but I doubt that it will take buyers away from marquis names like the BMW M3 (which I think is the best overall production car in the world atm) as someone mentioned earlier.

When the G35 was introduced, it was intended to be the American version of the R34 GT-R Skyline. Now it's literally a luxury Z series. Godzilla is still Godzilla in both countries.

not to mention, needing to save up some extra cash for a winter car if you buy a mustang.

(if you live in a area that gets a good amount of snow)

Probably shouldn't be buying a mustang in the colder areas if you can't drive RWD in the snow/ice in the first place.

[jmc]

Probably shouldn't be buying a mustang in the colder areas if you can't drive RWD in the snow/ice in the first place.

I just recommend people move in those cases.

[Skidz]

drop the skyline arguments; some of you guys are embarrassing yourselves.