"Hundred shields" PLD :)

[Atoreis]

FASTER AND SAFER? wtf since when is cleaving dangerous and who cleave with more than 4 people?! mobs die before everyone get to TP i bet, they are mostly idle people collecting KI

I think you never tried to pull mobs on WAR. Hermes sandals will make them deaggro... Idk why I even respond lol

[Fievel]

I know you probably think that you are never wrong etc. but You wrote that PLD is inefficient after cleave and you didn't specified why and since you can cleave for many purpose pulling out staggers was natural thing to do.

Just curious how you kill glavoid on mnk + whm ? stun all Disgorge?

Also if you talking about glavoid I don't see how staggers are irrelevant? It's much more efficient to finish pop set in Tahrongi by killing NMs you missing then pray for last KI while loosing tons in the process. In this case 9/13 staggers on PLD is very relevant vs MNK.

Also if you getting all KI from chests then go kill NM then you aren't optimal either because THF would be much more efficient which by your logic makes MNK inefficient like PLD.

fucking lol

Deaggroing NM's to change stagger is SO HARD OH GOD PLEASE HELP ME

I don't even know why I'm dignifying this with a response, arguing with you is like talking to a wall, you don't seem to understand a single thing pointed out to you by any of the posts people have made here.

I knew you were an idiot, but holy shit this is Malacite level stupidity.


Also while we're on the topic of how much of an idiot you are

I think you never tried to pull mobs on WAR. Hermes sandals will make them deaggro... Idk why I even respond lol

That pretty much speaks for itself, and proves my point quite nicely.

[Atoreis]

I've been cleaving on pld also just for the novelty of the brew like TP gain from so many things hitting Ochain. I have used monk/ninja/war also on cleaves also quite a bit but I like pld the most so far just because it's so much easier to gather tons of shit and not die (w/o having to use fanatics or something). I was getting every detector in uleguerand range when farming wyrm KI and TE and could do the pull, kill, box check in 5 min or w/e sentinel recast is. Same with chigoe in chasm when I farmed moth pops. The nice thing was that if people started killing shit there and they lvled up to T or something I could still pull most of the rest and not die like I would on mnk or nin if I couldn't evade enough.

One big downside to this is that it's difficult to do with every mob. Some bigger enemies don't wanna cluster up on themselves and just get behind/on top of you or constantly move so you you can't see them etc. Sort of the same deal as with "normal" cleave but with the extra requirement of having to get them all in front of you. It's super easy on chigoe and detectors (detectors mag aggro too which is awesome). Another bitch is that once you kill the whole lot then you have like 15 chests stacked on top of themselves to check through :/

With so many mobs you don't really need all of them in front. As for the chests in one place when I have TP for last killing WS I simply move and they spreading out then I ws.

[Fievel]

pld is fastest at cleaving, and is most efficient in abyssea for duo/solo on NM's, you heard it here first folks.

[Arthars]

I know you probably think that you are never wrong etc. but You wrote that PLD is inefficient after cleave and you didn't specified why and since you can cleave for many purpose pulling out staggers was natural thing to do.

Just curious how you kill glavoid on mnk + whm ? stun all Disgorge?

Also if you talking about glavoid I don't see how staggers are irrelevant? It's much more efficient to finish pop set in Tahrongi by killing NMs you missing then pray for last KI while loosing tons in the process. In this case 9/13 staggers on PLD is very relevant vs MNK.

Also if you getting all KI from chests then go kill NM then you aren't optimal either because THF would be much more efficient which by your logic makes MNK inefficient like PLD.

This is why i said your making this thread a "PLD IS AWESOME THREAD" than a "PLD can still be good" thread.

If you want to talk about best jobs, then you obviously lose.

If you are talking about PLD usefulness for people who have no NIN or WAR or MNK, than you have made your point. giood job and tyvm

[Atoreis]

fucking lol

Deaggroing NM's to change stagger is SO HARD OH GOD PLEASE HELP ME

I don't even know why I'm dignifying this with a response, arguing with you is like talking to a wall, you don't seem to understand a single thing pointed out to you by any of the posts people have made here.

I knew you were an idiot, but holy shit this is Malacite level stupidity.

You talking about efficiency when PLD will kill a mob in 5 min instead of 2.5min and then about deaggroing mobs to get right WS? seriously think about it lol
Idk maybe you think that what you kill on MNK in 5 min I will spend whole day on PLD...

Lol @ Malacite card pulled out...

[Byrthnoth]

If you keep monsters within 20' and let them get a swing in maybe once a minute, they won't deagro. No need to let them beat on you constantly.

[Fievel]

You talking about efficiency when PLD will kill a mob in 5 min instead of 2.5min and then about deaggroing mobs to get right WS? seriously think about it lol
Idk maybe you think that what you kill on MNK in 5 min I will spend whole day on PLD...

Lol @ Malacite card pulled out...

lol, I don't even need to try to prove my point anymore, you're doing it yourself.

Arthars put it perfectly, your method is fantastic for people who don't have NIN, WAR, and MNK, and if you could just understand that then it would all be okay. Fooling yourself into thinking you're better than those jobs in abyssea on PLD is just sad though.

[Arthars]

I think you never tried to pull mobs on WAR. Hermes sandals will make them deaggro... Idk why I even respond lol

wtf you pull mobs that deaggro, or you even let mobs deaggro....your not even talking about efficient cleaving or your fucking fail then. Does this actually mean that when u pull prior a cleave, you stop and wait for mobs and not wearing crimson etc? wow man.........

my bad for not understanding that your cleaving skills from pulling to finishing is not what i have expected it to be

[ronin sparthos]

So since this thread is about cleaving, is it only Grauberg detectors that cause mass dcs or is it all detectors?

[Fievel]

So since this thread is about cleaving, is it only Grauberg detectors that cause mass dcs or is it all detectors?

I have friends that d/c from the ones in ule too :/ I've never had a problem though

[Bling]

This is also nice for killing seal NMs. I was aggroing the area of mandies and then popping Nightshade in chasm and killing him Atoreis did in his vid and then AE'n the normal mandies down for more triggers. With such fast tp gain it isn't really required to have the elemental ws atmas to clear through them in good pace. I also soloed mother globe pld/rdm in a similar way. Her shock spikes were kicking my ass 'cause you can't block while stunned, so I let her slaves feed me TP then WS on her.

[Atoreis]

pld is fastest at cleaving, and is most efficient in abyssea for duo/solo on NM's, you heard it here first folks.

That it a lvl of Malacite ^^

Since you seems to know better what my point is I will write it for a last time.

PLD Ochain+Almace duo killing NM like I killed bukhis is fastest DD.
PLD Ochain + Almace duo killing NM traditional way (beside some exceptions like Bukhis) is probably around 2 times slower then most top DD.
PLD Ochain is at least as fast as WAR, MNK and DNC at cleave and like DNC can do it solo with good results. Duo with healer is best option possible if we talking about safe and fast cleave.

That's all

[Martel]

This is also nice for killing seal NMs. I was aggroing the area of mandies and then popping Nightshade in chasm and killing him Atoreis did in his vid and then AE'n the normal mandies down for more triggers. With such fast tp gain it isn't really required to have the elemental ws atmas to clear through them in good pace. I also soloed mother globe pld/rdm in a similar way. Her shock spikes were kicking my ass 'cause you can't block while stunned, so I let her slaves feed me TP then WS on her.

I'm not sure if it was MG or the slaves, but one of those fuckers has En-Stun. Did the same thing, but was getting stunned anyway every so often.

[Bling]

So since this thread is about cleaving, is it only Grauberg detectors that cause mass dcs or is it all detectors?

I've had a couple crashes in ule range but I thought that was just my vid card or something freaking out. I cata'd in grauberg a lot on detectors when doing azdaja and never had a crash or d/c so idk.

[Fievel]

But you don't cleave as fast as mnk or war, that's part of the problem.

Actually, nevermind, I'm not even going to try anymore.

[Arthars]

Its not a cleaving problem. People pull many detectors for farming TE or watever doesnt really mean they are cleaving. They just gather alot of mobs to kill at a go, it can be 1 by 1. Detectors are easiest to kill, to pull, to aggro, to magic aggro etc so its always prefered in those zones.

However because you will NEVER find a BLU doing a "normal" cleave, the dc will never happen elsewhere

i have found out a while ago that if you have a BLU in ur screen doing a typhoonblabla BLU magic that hits frontal mobs, there is a chance that a PC FFXI will crash.

When i was still crazily active in uleguerand, anli is always BLU and always uses that spell and cause people to crash(including myself but never on her mule as the mule is on PS2)

if you somehow find a BLU gathering alot of mobs elsewhere and uses that spell, same thing will happen

it MAY NOT be entirely caused by that BLU magic tho, but that is certainly 1 possibility as i have experienced it myself after we "tested" it lol. it dont always dc you but it will break ur game (pc version)

i thought this is a known issue, somehow no one mentioned earlier O_o

[Atoreis]

If you keep monsters within 20' and let them get a swing in maybe once a minute, they won't deagro. No need to let them beat on you constantly.

that what I do but some mobs are far behind the others and you need to wait for them to catch up.

[Atoreis]

But you don't cleave as fast as mnk or war, that's part of the problem.

Actually, nevermind, I'm not even going to try anymore.

what you mean by not cleave as fast ? It's about 4 WS with TP gain fast enough to self SC that's about 15 sec? I know WAR can do it in 10 with sekka 2hr Fell and MNK probably in 3 Cata in 10-15 sec. So you really trying to prove who is faster by few seconds?

[Arthars]

that what I do but some mobs are far behind the others and you need to wait for them to catch up.

since your forte in this thread is speed and efficiency, and particularly made a video of cleaving, may i know what mobs you actually cleave that needs you to wait up on them intentionally or you have to travel miles to fetch a train of mobs?

what you mean by not cleave as fast ? It's about 4 WS with TP gain fast enough to self SC that's about 15 sec? I know WAR can do it in 10 with sekka 2hr Fell and MNK probably in 3 Cata in 10-15 sec. So you really trying to prove who is faster by few seconds?

AND YOU ARE BRAGGING ABOUT CLEAVE SPEED A PAGE BACK ON PLD VS MNK VS NIN VS WAR?

WTF DUDE?!?!?!?!?!?

Almace+Ochain PLD is much easier to cleave and faster.

NIN TP gain while cleave is much much slower then PLD.

how much difference is your terms of "much much slower". 10 mins? since you mention that PLD cleave much faster, while ur math indicate much faster = 0 to -5 sec.