"Hundred shields" PLD :)

[Atoreis]

As for the OP, cool videos. However, it is too bad that a PLD needs two Empyreans plus a group of mobs to funnel TP through Shield Mastery in order to kill Buhkis at the same rate as my Ascetic's Fury-only MNK.

Also, you mention its "safer" to cleave with an Ochain PLD. That's probably true, sure. Faster? Fuck no son, my BLM and MNK can Catacleave faster. And BLU is probably even better than that.

PS: Get a Martial Knife or something if you're gonna cleave with Aeolian Edge.

I kill group of mobs in less then 20 sec sometimes maybe below 10 on PLD if you are faster then good for you but I would call them equal fast just for sake of peace ^^

[Jeryhn]

Except Cataclysm is NOT equal to Aeolian Edge in any way by virtue of the existence of Dark/Pluto/Yama staffs.

Nice dodge on the Buhkis thing too.

[Atoreis]

I don't even want to start on you kill bukhis on MNK with ascetic fury in less then 4 min... unless with fanatic and 2hr.

Its not about the damage on Aedge lol I can make WS probably 4 times faster then your BLM...

[Jeryhn]

The only thing that's keeping your kill speed up on Buhkis is the fact that you don't have to worry about Cruor buff dispel (and possibly Doom) and don't have to use shadows because Ochain makes that possible. However, Penance does a pretty good job of cutting down on TP moves too. Buhkis is by no stretch hard to kill either, nor is any Abyssea NM for that matter - its the random bullshit like dispelling effects of auras that make things more difficult - Ochain just allows you to dodge most of it.

Making the comment that "oh you use 2hr and fanatics" is also pretty lulzy too, considering the fact your method is only possible with TWO EMPYREAN ITEMS.

Also using Aeolian Edge four times faster means a lot less when I'm out there throwing out much higher damage Cataclysms. Cataclysm is simply a better WS than Aeolian Edge, and has better gear to support its use (especially since on BLM, set proc will function with the WS). You being able to WS a lot faster is a bit of a moot point when I can use keys to pick up Wings and TP chests while mobs respawn.

[Atoreis]

You seriously want to argue who kills faster by 5-10 sec? You need 5-10 sec to check chest and open it and take wing from it.

[Jeryhn]

What are you doing for those 25 seconds when mobs are dead and you're waiting on respawn? Tell me its not checking chests or something.
YOU were the one who commented about WS frequency.

Cry about it or something.

[Obsidian]

When you're blocking are you sitting in PDT gear or just letting Ochain do all the work?

Neat videos anyway.

Edit: You should parse the PLD set proc rate next time you're cleaving like that.

[Atoreis]

What are you doing for those 25 seconds when mobs are dead and you're waiting on respawn? Tell me its not checking chests or something.
YOU were the one who commented about WS frequency.

Cry about it or something.

Im letting my friend open chest and I run to farthest place when mobs spawn to start pulling from there to camp instead of running there and back to camp with mobs.

[Jeryhn]

You could be opening chests and reaping the bonuses from all of them while your friend goes and pulls the mobs too, what's your point?

Then again, if you're only doing this with one or two friends, I have my doubts as to why you're even cleaving in the first place.

[Atoreis]

When you're blocking are you sitting in PDT gear or just letting Ochain do all the work?

Neat videos anyway.

Edit: You should parse the PLD set proc rate next time you're cleaving like that.

Twilight torque other then that its TP set.

[Kaslo]

My dick is bigger than your dick.

This is all I see.

[Atoreis]

You could be opening chests and reaping the bonuses from all of them while your friend goes and pulls the mobs too, what's your point?

Then again, if you're only doing this with one or two friends, I have my doubts as to why you're even cleaving in the first place.

Well that's a good question why you cleave on BLM? XD

I use PLd cleave only to lvl mules and will probably use it in Tahrongi for farm Glavoid with THF NIN WHM and probably to farm better dark rings but that's all.

[Jeryhn]

Better base MAB, better gear to support Cataclysm.
Still able to be useful after cleaving is done.

I could cleave on PLD using Cataclysm too, but what am I usually doing after that? Probably skilling up Greatsword or something.

[Martel]

>.> until someone as myself comes along and things you actually need a hand and starts killing the adds.. lol

Nah, the adds were doing a good job of feeding me TP. Until I found out that 200+ earth resist was not in fact enough to always resist break. Once he en-dispeled/drained barstone I got petrified and face planted. But hey, that's what I went out there to find out.

Pretty much the major thing that'll kill an Ochain PLD. Stun, terror, or petrification.

Talking about Tunga in case anyone's wondering.

[Atoreis]

Better base MAB, better gear to support Cataclysm.
Still able to be useful after cleaving is done.

I could cleave on PLD using Cataclysm too, but what am I usually doing after that? Probably skilling up Greatsword or something.

Lol you seriously put BLM over Ochain+almace PLD when setting up lowmanning priority?

Everyone knows its DD/tank+WHM then THF(iin case THF isn't that DD/tank) so PLD is before BLM in duo.

PLD+WHM can do pretty much every NM but I wouldn't cleave on PLD to go do NMs after I would do it on THF.
I only cleave on PLD when I have THF and war or NIN and whm firends with me.

[Yugl]

No idea what all the fuss is about. DRG is superior to everything I've seen thrown around in this thread.

[Mohit]

If not using a job because its drastically inferior to widely available alternatives in any situation that matters is bandwagon, well, I'll start the line.

inb4 Waffles or Dray says something about SMN

There are many sub prime jobs and such. Few people dispute that. However, thread after thread, there is tons of hate for the job and some people try to go out of their way to bash the job. This list is really long as you know of jobs that are not optimal. It's just cool to hate it though lol

I do see it like pup was/is. They made some adjustments and pup was a pretty powerful job and is now even. However, in some people's mind it can be the highest combined (puppet and master) DD to ever hit the game and it will still be lolpup.

Pld is similar in that it may never shake the stigma even if they did some awesome adjustments to make it #1 DD and exceed hate cap and take dmg well. It could be the best job ever in FFXI history and still be lolpld from here on out. SE kind of fucked it up permanently in the minds of the players regardless of future updates.

[Jeryhn]

Lol you seriously put BLM over Ochain+almace PLD when setting up lowmanning priority?

Um... yes? A BLM can snipe kills with 6k-7k Blizzard5, or crowd-control with either sleep or simply nuking all the shit down. This suggests that a BLM could do pretty much whatever your upgraded PLD can do, aside from getting hit by 25+ mobs and surviving. What does BLM have that your PLD does not? Procs for 7 out of 8 elements, while you have 1. And a Stun that isn't on a 5 minute recast.

Sure, you can proc a bunch of red on PLD, but I could sub WAR if I really wanted to and do the same with event items. Less so on /RDM, but I can do some with that as well. And changing my sub to something unconventional does not effect my usefulness with procs nor does it severely debilitate my ability to nuke.

Look, I'm glad you've managed to find a niche for PLD where it can be fun. Grats on your Empyreans too, I'm sure that was a lot of work. It seems you've solved the newbie quandry - convincing other people that your inferior job has a value. Good work, but that's where the buck stops. Suggesting that your Empyreans improve your usefullness - yes, you'd be correct. Suggesting that it fulfills some role where only you can do what you do at an extreme or the greatest efficiency - no, you are wrong.

[Mercilessturtle]

Pld is similar in that it may never shake the stigma even if they did some awesome adjustments to make it #1 DD and exceed hate cap and take dmg well. It could be the best job ever in FFXI history and still be lolpld from here on out.

Your example doesn't support your claim though. They didn't make pup good, so of course people still think lolpup. And as a counter example, look at all the bandwagon ninjas. All they did was give them another tier of dual wield and let them easily cap haste, and suddenly instead of being lolnin they are one of the most popular jobs. Pld was super popular for a long time after it was clearly useless. You still see idiots bringing plds to abyssea now. If SE buffed pld in some reasonable way people would flock to it again.

[Atoreis]

Man I never said I would choose PLD to go farm gold boxes for glavoid because I wont I would choose my Kannagi NIN to duo Glavoid with WHM after.
I wouldnt use it for Chloris either cuz I would use NIN to get some from chests and get last ones from NMs then switch to THF to have tH on chloris if I would duo.
I wouldn't choose pld to cleave for Tiger hide and sisy because I would choose BLU for this to keep amber at right lvl.
I would choose PLD for cleave for Glavoid if I would have WAR, THF, WHM with me.
I would choose PLD to farm Iron plates.
I would choose PLD to fight Bukhis
etc.

I'm not trying to make PLD best job here ...
I simply showed how you can make it better in LIMITED situation...
Stop trying to put words in my hands which I have never written.

BLM is obvious choice for farming with yellow but yellow farming is almost never connected to cleave unless you cleave for TE but then I would go BLU and cleave on BLU to avoid amber and ruby My friend would go on THF and other friend on BLM and WHM.

BLM for cleave is very poor choice if you farm empyreans KI and do them right after unless all other jobs that are better are already there with you which are WHM and THF at least.