DAT Mining Discussion (2011-05-09)

[Byrthnoth]

I need that pic of the NBC Star "The More You Know" ;;

lol, yeah

I don't want to jinx it, but overall it's looking like this update is a whole lot of bullshit for incredibly minor sidegrades designed for people who can't get AF3+2.

[Julian]

I would prefer if they would just drop the "can't proc while x" bullshit, x being ws, magic, retarded attack animations, etc. That would make the weakness stuff a LOT more tolerable.

[Darkmagi]

"Shit, accidentally used mug while it was casting. Gotta hold it another 15mins"

[Byrthnoth]

No word on new magian trials, eh?

[Darkmagi]

See, this is a constructive thinking not crying!

@Darkmagi You are retard I you think not optimal = no use.. .

I have no problem with using jobs that are not optimal. I have a problem with the fact that the staggering system creates a demand for jobs that would otherwise not be desired, instead of working on fixing the job at the core. I can't be the only one who isn't sick as shit of the weakness system.

[danthebk]

I have no problem with using jobs that are not optimal. I have a problem with the fact that the staggering system creates a demand for jobs that would otherwise not be desired, instead of working on fixing the job at the core. I can't be the only one who isn't sick as shit of the weakness system.

I hate it too >=|

[Rocl]

No word on new magian trials, eh?

I don't see anything, but going through the logs to find that sort of shit makes my eyes roll into the back of my head. However, the Ru'Lude Dialog Tables were not updated, so I'm going to say there probably isn't more trials?

Interestingly, the Last Stand's dialog tables were updated, but I can't see where.

[Zag]

So the only good thing for MNK is the new chakra feet?? Voidwalker looks like fail so far and I expected it to be good. Same level cap so I expected sidegrade equipment at least. When level 95 voidwalker gear hits, then we will finally see some upgrades.

[Atoreis]

But seriously how you want to fix the job like BST? It will never be on pair with pure DDs because it's not made for it. Same goes for many other jobs. War have no cure capabilities and that's why it has best DD capability. Some jobs are made more for universality and will always be worse with full support. Same go for RDM for example which was best healer at some point because of ability to cure alone and keep it's mp high enough but if you would add brd and refresh to whm then rdm would have no chance and be better at healing.

[TheDirtyHobo]

I'd rather ditch the entire enhanced drop bullshit and not be forced on retarded jobs that would serve no purpose other than triggering a !! stagger.

So what exactly is 'forcing' you to bring that job then. The enhanced drop rate that you said in the same sentence you'd be willing to ditch?

[GreenKnux]

BST is fucking fine. SMN needs the love now.

[Darkmagi]

I hate the system, that doesn't mean I'm going to give myself shit drop rates when I don't need to. They could you know, make things without obscenely low drop rates and not require a stagger system at all.

[Atoreis]

So what exactly is 'forcing' you to bring that job then. The enhanced drop rate that you said in the same sentence you'd be willing to ditch?

good point!

[Cymmina]

But seriously how you want to fix the job like BST? It will never be on pair with pure DDs because it's not made for it. Same goes for many other jobs. War have no cure capabilities and that's why it has best DD capability. Some jobs are made more for universality and will always be worse with full support. Same go for RDM for example which was best healer at some point because of ability to cure alone and keep it's mp high enough but if you would add brd and refresh to whm then rdm would have no chance and be better at healing.

Well what about SCH? SCH is a powerful job that can keep up with a BLM no problem as far as damage goes, in addition to being able to boost their damage (weather) and form skill chains without TP feed. Plus it is the 2nd best healing job, a powerful buffer, and an excellent crowd controller (best solo Dynamis sleeper, but I'm assuming that's gone now outside of Dreamlands). Without a niche grellow position like BLU and BLM enjoy, it's dead inside of Abyssea.

With the way things were, if you only needed X number of people to cover everything, and had X+1 people wanting to go, the +1 guy could probably go whatever job he wanted, be an extra stunner, or you could split up into 2 teams each with Tank+WHM and share the trigger people. When they expand the number of triggers, the +1 people are forced to fill whatever shitty role needs to be filled (unless +1 guy happens to like said shitty job, then he is happy as a clam) and you have less freedom.

[Francisco]

So the only good thing for MNK is the new chakra feet?? Voidwalker looks like fail so far and I expected it to be good. Same level cap so I expected sidegrade equipment at least. When level 95 voidwalker gear hits, then we will finally see some upgrades.

Maybe the ring that increases triple attack damage... but probably only with Atma of the Apocalypse... I doubt Epona's Ring alone will make the ring worth using outside of abyssea (over Rajas).

[Sho]

So the only good thing for MNK is the new chakra feet?? Voidwalker looks like fail so far and I expected it to be good. Same level cap so I expected sidegrade equipment at least. When level 95 voidwalker gear hits, then we will finally see some upgrades.

Now you know MNK needs nothing atm, lol. Tantra Body +2 will hold everyone til 95 cap and beyond.

But seriously how you want to fix the job like BST? It will never be on pair with pure DDs because it's not made for it. Same goes for many other jobs. War have no cure capabilities and that's why it has best DD capability. Some jobs are made more for universality and will always be worse with full support. Same go for RDM for example which was best healer at some point because of ability to cure alone and keep it's mp high enough but if you would add brd and refresh to whm then rdm would have no chance and be better at healing.

You fix a job like BST by giving them hardcore pets that can tank and DD, like Roc mobs or Rams or something "big". Even Jelly mobs for the non-magical NMs.

[Sho]

Ack, double post.

[Karbuncle]

Mog Bonanza Kupon S A prize redemption coupon from the Mog Bonanza event. Issued by the Mog House Management Union (MHMU).

Mog Bonanza Kupon EA A prize redemption coupon from the Mog Bonanza event. Issued by the Mog House Management Union (MHMU).

Mog Bonanza Kupon EW A prize redemption coupon from the Mog Bonanza event. Issued by the Mog House Management Union (MHMU).

Mog Bonanza Kupon MW A prize redemption coupon from the Mog Bonanza event. Issued by the Mog House Management Union (MHMU).

Mog Bonanza Kupon RW A prize redemption coupon from the Mog Bonanza event. Issued by the Mog House Management Union (MHMU).



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Mog Bonanza Kupons...

Empyrean Armor
Empyrean Weapon
Mythic Weapon
Relic Weapon.


"Cat's Eye" is R/ex, I doubt it has anything to do with Alexandrite at this point now. Since those Kupons above look like the Relic/Mythic/Empyrean "Weapon" slips for Rank 1 Bonanza.
(Edit: At least not a "10,000" piece like some think. maybe a new "patch" that gives 100+?)
(Edit2: or maybe it is... I just don't think its from Bonanza like the guy earlier mentioned).

(S) IDK, Shadow?

[Kaisha]

Just hoping one of the procs for the pet jobs is actually worthwhile since I have all of them levelled. Abyssea blows for me for pickup groups since I have none of the 5 magical jobs levelled that can do all of their own procs.

Spoiler: show

Given SE will never address that, nor PUGs never straying from the 'EZ-Mode or bust' train of thought, I'm lvling BLU next >.>

[Karbuncle]

Whom Wilt Thou Call is most likely four ghosts. Puffy Marshmallow (lol) Slimey Simeon, Grievous Gozar Zymotic Zuulie

LoL, Awesome. Ghost Busters ftw.

The Stay puff Marshmellow man, Gatekeeper/Key master, and the Painting guy (IIRC?). Hilarious references.

I love this company some time.