The Official Forums II: Out Here Grindin'

[Gokulo]

True, farming pops adds to the time, but even with that I was never so unlucky before, lol. Never had to spend 3-4 days and so many hours in a zone to get 1 piece done, even my LS is really sympathizing with me now, lol.

[Shiyo]

It wasn't actually. Doing other things in zone with feet as a side benefit =/= doing dom ops (unless you mean purely in the form of xp; which you didn't because you're a sarcastic, idiotic, gimp).

What NM are you doing for nin body seals? Yag works the best if price isn't an issue; 1-2seals per 4 hours is you doing something terribly wrong. If you wanted to double up doing plates for ochain/durblahblah could go for ICs; but outside of the plates I think that's a terrible idea.

Yag is the worst possible NM to ever do for any jobs body seals imo, at least on sylph. Always camped by 1-3 other groups who take DECADES to kill it and refuse to team up. Body seals are really retarded to get sometimes, especially off that NM. Bastion also sucks sometimes, it's so random, kind of like feet you need dropping.

[Meyi]

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s...cialforum1.png

:< He got us good. Clearly calling someone a lady is constructive indeed!

[Cymmina]

Bastion sucks if only because it's over way too fucking fast. If it was closer to Campaign, it'd be a lot better, but instead it's like forts have 1 HP and the moment a mob sneezes at it it's game over.

This. I have BLU leveled and was BLU the last time I did Bastion, as suggested earlier in the thread. There's no job in the world that is going to fix this or save you from getting Brainjacked and wasting the entire fight on you. There's OPs that will raise the HP of the Martello and put up wards, but you can only do them once per game day, it only gives about +3% HP per OP, and they only last for the next battle. Once it's over, everything is back to lolnoHP and no wards.

When the system came out, Bastion was the "better" option because feet *were* rare and the random number generator worked against you pretty hard. With the increased drop rate, my entire LS (8 people) has acquired every single pair of shoes multiple times over and even given away a few pairs from cleaving/killing NMs. Yes, if you only need 3 feet and 3 legs, Bastion is going to get you what you want quicker. If your goal is to get all 20 pairs of feet and legs, doing Bastion for 20k points is going to feel like a root canal compared to collecting feet as they come for jobs you don't even use.

Thankfully I am done with Bastion for good.

[GoggleHead]

I got all my feet and I've never once cleaved for KIs. There are folks who have spent the better part of a week doing nothing but cleaving and no feet to show for it.

The Random Number Generator is a fickle mistress. That's all there is to it.

If you say otherwise you've got your head so far up your ass that you can no longer see the reality that's quite obvious to everyone else.

[Ksandra]

Gimps find bastion easier,

Noone's arguing that it isn't random and somehow correlates to skill.

ya you're pretty retarded if you didn't read that.


as others stated random generator is fucking random. For ever person who says "I got all 20 before even reaching 90" you'll find another who did a fuckton of events and never saw a particular one drop to the point they said "fuck it" and started farming like mad.

Saying gimps find bastion easier is just insanely lol.

All it comes down to is how lucky you were with the randomness with feet, vs. time to get your points for bastion. And that's NOT going to be the same for everyone gimp or not.

[Kidnoftle]

Meh, get off or not, this is an endgame community of information which implies, by extension, discussion of methods. We're at a point in this game where you could actually have your thumb up your ass the whole time and still be a decent endgame player. Those that actually want to use their time efficiently and maximize what they can get out of this game should be aware of efficiency debates like the current one. If we sat around here listening to whinewhinebitchbitch all day of the same shit over and over again nothing would be accomplished by this board; and I was under the impression that this was a board aimed at getting information out there to the mass of players. Agreed, merciless doesn't offer any support to why he thinks people are retarded, but that doesn't necessarily mean he's wrong. I just took up the job of elaborating for him since I figured I should offer something useful on the side instead of just making valisk look like a tool. This thread isn't the place for it, sure, but where is anymore? If it doesn't come up randomly information on playstyles like what we are discussing are never discussed. Unless, of course, the ultimate plan of BG was to enshrine mediocrity so the players who were actually good never had any competition from possible good players.

ya you're pretty retarded if you didn't read that.

Yeah, I agree that was a little silly and extreme, but that has nothing to do with what's actually being debated.

[isladar]

Knock this shit off.

[grevenilvec75]

Platform: PC and Xbox 360
ISP: Comcast
Type of Internet Connection: Cable
Internet Connection Speed: Pretty darn fast
Date & Time: Various
Frequency: Every time so far
Character Name: Tagrineth
Race: Mithra
World: Quetzalcoatl
Main Job: Dragoon
Support Job: Samurai
Area and Coordinates: Dragon's Aery, the Fafnir room
Party or Solo: Party
NPC Name: N/A
Monster Name: Fafnir
Steps:
1. Do KS99 Wyrm
2. Get Honey Wine
3. Use Honey Wine to spawn Fafnir
4. Use multiple THFs to get TH to 9-11 every fight
5. Repeat the above about 20 times
6. Watch Ridill not drop

Seen multiple reports of this lately, from several groups popping Fafnir repeatedly and not seeing any Ridills drop whatsoever despite extremely high degrees of Treasure Hunter. Back in the day when TH4 was impressive, Ridill had a significantly higher drop rate. Seeing people pop 40+ Fafnirs and not see a single Ridill drop seems... wrong, like the drop rate isn't configured correctly.

Might wanna look into it.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ll-s-drop-rate

[Shiyo]

LOL, that's great.

[Kuishen]

LOL, that's great.

Should be complaining about the damn hq droprate instead. Other than that, funny lol.

[Aksannyi]

Lol at 40 Fafnirs and no Ridill as though that's something so unusual...

[Gadritan]

Hm. Our Fafs never got the memo.

[Francisco]

People still want Ridills? o.O

Also, lolPchan: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post166334

(He basically got mad when I made a reference to people who flipped out over AF3+2 because it outclassed their gear, and got madder when I used Usukane vs Tantra as an example - not a lot of rage, just stupidity)

I'm, of course, just jealous because I never got full Usukane. Except that I did.

[Lyall]

People still want Ridills? o.O

Also, lolPchan: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post166334

(He basically got mad when I made a reference to people who flipped out over AF3+2 because it outclassed their gear, and got madder when I used Usukane vs Tantra as an example - not a lot of rage, just stupidity)

I'm, of course, just jealous because I never got full Usukane. Except that I did.

I do so love this, I wonder what the reply will be. I'm also tickled by the fact that all of your valid points regarding atma, abyssite, pop timers, and proc conditions got completely ignored, as did the fact that most of the gear that did come from Visions wasn't really anything to be blown away by.

[Kidnoftle]

I do so love this, I wonder what the reply will be. I'm also tickled by the fact that all of your valid points regarding atma, abyssite, pop timers, and proc conditions got completely ignored, as did the fact that most of the gear that did come from Visions wasn't really anything to be blown away by.

Idk bout that last part lol. Comparative to what we have now, sure it was mostly trash gear, but at the time I was pretty excited about all the new gear (most of which replaced old slots).

And Ridill is awzum for sam procing :3

[Crizto]

I guess he didn't hear that after every maintenance Ridill becomes 100% ^_^

(Please tell me you all remembered how many threads popped up on these forums asking "DID THEY CHANGE THE DROP RATE THIS MAINT??? I WENT 1/1 ON FAFNIR")

[Michelob]

I pumped through about 20 fafs since the trigger spawn update without seeing one, finally said something about it and then two dropped back to back immediately afterwards lol.

[Churchill]

Yeah, 0/20ish as well but that's not really that odd. You could go months without seeing a Ridill, and that's with claiming it nearly every day.

[Lyall]

It seems that you are the one that thought you had status gear and wants to be the cool kid that prefers everyone to have the same gear as him. Your equip history shows that you either quit after abyssea was realeased (mad at the loss of your status ?) or it took you way too long to get it. Something is wrong.

This is incredible coming from the guy who quit FFXI once "Ashittea" came out, then returned to the game a year later and pursued a Vereth while still wearing full Usukane.