The Official Forums II: Out Here Grindin'

[Aurara]

Yeah....i dont even know

[Cail]

Why do people like that even play RDM?

[keitari]

I am convinced that the official forums is simply a venue for those who feel they are somehow entitled to instant gratification since they pay Square Enix $12.95 per month.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...008#post144008

[Dooom]

Why do people like that even play RDM?

These melee rdms ain't got shit on my mnk main healer.

[Aksannyi]

I would have said RDM didn't need any new spells back at 75 (as aside from the fact that A+ enfeeblers even with top-tier gear needed a subbed JA to reliably land enfeebles on anything that mattered, I quite liked how RDM played at 75), but does this guy honestly think that SE is gonna raise all jobs nine levels and leave one job without even one new thing? Wow. And yeah, I have to laugh at this guy's arrogance. Reminds me of the outparsing a naked MNK claims.

Simply

[Lyall]

This thread is kind of amazing.

There were multiple parses taken to prove this point done during that time. The fact that RDM could do pretty much half a dedicated Healer's curing amoun, maintain Dia III and ~80% of DDs in Colibri Era is set in stone, that's not even disputable. (And this was before Composure was released, mind you.)

I am astounded, considering a colibri's lifespan should be all of 24 seconds? 30, max. This superpimp RDM that NO ONE KNOWS was doing half of the healing, hitting Dia3 on every mob and STILL doing 80% of a SAM's damage.

[Mrbeansman]

I probably learned more about sucking less from the gimp thread then any other part of this forum true story. It's almost enough to make me wish Pchan, Throny, Neo etc weren't banned.

[Khiinroye]

Wait, wait, was the rdm doing 80% of the sam's total damage, or 80% of one of the sam's hits?

[Deader2818]

Well, Throny quit the the game ive be told.

And no, I wouldnt wish Pchan on my worst enemy.

[Aurara]

Well, Throny quit the the game ive be told.

And no, I wouldnt wish Pchan on my worst enemy.

I would, without a doubt.

[Dooom]

I am astounded, considering a colibri's lifespan should be all of 24 seconds? 30, max. This superpimp RDM that NO ONE KNOWS was doing half of the healing, hitting Dia3 on every mob and STILL doing 80% of a SAM's damage.

Wow lol, I'm fairly sure that the "dia3 every mob keep up haste always and main heal on colibri without downtime" thing by rdms was shown to need a stupid amount of refresh back in the day. Several years old memories however, but to say it's "set in stone" is total BS; there is re-writings of history going on that many repressive governments would be proud of going on, it seems!

[Byrthnoth]

I could definitely Dia 3 almost every monster, Haste the melees, and heal at 75 if they were a good enough party. I don't think I could do it while beating myself off to 300 damage Eviscerations though.

[Dooom]

Yeah, my memory on this is fuzzy for sure, but if you're meleeing then you'll be getting like 4mp/tick at best at 75 (refresh, sanction) as otherwise you're giving up melee gear for refresh, marches for ballads, DD rolls for evokers, and so keeping up cures/buffs/debuffs just on that while meleeing is just... well, impossible, I'm sure.

[Lyall]

Oh god I feel dirty. I just read a thread on the WAR forum from our favorite Herpes Mithra creator that the movement decrease on Retaliation was too much. Among the things suggested to trade for that:

-Ability to parry
-Vitality
-Crit Rate
-Attack

The logic was "Well we're not parrying anyway!", "We don't need VIT anyway!", "I only use WAR for Cleaving so crit doesn't matter anyway!" and "My name is Arcon and I suck dicks, give Retaliation an Attack Down debuff!"

Somewhere near the end someone says that Hermes' Sandals exist and remove the problem. Kingfury's response was that they were too expensive.

[Eeeks]

I probably learned more about sucking less from the gimp thread then any other part of this forum true story. It's almost enough to make me wish Pchan, Throny, Neo etc weren't banned.

I hadn't thought of it this way, but I think the same could be said for me. I've been lurking BG since 2006 when I was a Level 30ish nub THF who relentlessly farmed Konschtat to synth Sheep Leather. The Media threads were all hilarious and excellent examples of what not to do. That, and I was terrified of Karbuncle posting my first-job THF, back when he posted loads of gimp THFs, before I had the chance to get some decentish gear for it!

[Aurara]

This is old arguments, actually, like, 2008 old.

But it's been done, it's been parsed, and it's been worded in a way that cannot be more adequately put.

Your disbelief isn't anything new.

There's more, buried under the long history of RDM melee arguments that people ignored throughout the years. There's hard data that's proved it both in parse and in the math. Just because people want to cup their ears, close their eyes and go 'na na na it's not real because it breaks with my preconceptions!' does not change the reality of what actually happened. I sat there and witnessed this guy myself. (probably still have pics buried in my Photobucket, actually.) It was the real deal.

Ask a RDM to try to replicate that now at 90? Doubt it.

I lol'd

[Lyall]

I was amused, too. I went over the numbers while the percentages do line up, numerically it shows what's wrong with the argument.

NIN/WAR_________ _121035(_19.6%)[_85219/h] _92401[1484/1484] ______[____/____] _28634[__63/__63] ______[____]
SAM/NIN_________ _160306(_25.9%)[112870/h] _67691[_640/_640] ______[____/____] _92615[_126/_126] ______[____]
MNK/NIN_________ _185975(_30.1%)[130943/h] 126670[1640/1640] ______[____/____] _59305[__88/__88] ______[____]
Starfox_________ _146402(_23.7%)[103080/h] _81834[1855/2309] ______[____/____] _62142[1578/1578] __2426[_119]

What did I contribute to the party?
1) Casting Dia on 113/147 mobs (76% of mobs fought)
2) Casting debuffs on mobs (silence/slow/gravity) because there was no other mage in the party that could do it (25 Grav 17 Silence 8 Slow2 8 Dispel)
3) Casting 26% of the total cure in the party (9536/35905)

This is the relevant part, in my opinion. 147 mobs fought, 146k damage. Just under 1k per mob. The SAM in question? 160k over 147 mobs. This is total damage, not just melee, definitely not just weaponskill.

Someone tell me what's wrong that a SAM is doing roughly 1200? damage per fight, Gekko included.

TOTALLY HARD EVIDENCE GUYS.

Edit: Of course I could be reading it wrong. If so, please inform me.

[GoggleHead]

I spy an alla link, along with a distinct lack of documentation to verify that the DDs in question weren't god-awful. I fucking hate these idiot Red Mages. They make me afraid for the future of my favorite job.

[Mrbeansman]

And no, I wouldnt wish Pchan on my worst enemy.

This is probably just me but what everyone saw as worthless dribble I saw as comedy gold.

[arshesney]

Sam/nin, gekko and colibris?


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