Neo-Dynamis Changes

[NynJa]

Silly idea but... there still is Fenrir right?

... or is Diablos somehow more resistant to Darkness than Fenrir?

Fenrir has no particular resistance against the element of dark, this is the same thing for Carbuncle about Light.

dealbreaker

[Atoreis]

Just wanted to share my dyna-valk solo experience:

Went 95BLU/0 (no sub to proc white), hit all 5/5 TE's within 15 minutes. Got lucky and TE 5 was on the west side of Selbina, putting 4 of the TE's within 5 minutes of each other, the 5th was on the opposite side otw to secret beach.

Spells:
Head Butt
Sprout Smack
Disseverment
Sudden Lunge
Whirl of Rage
Empty Thrash
Battery Charge
Plenilune Embrace
Occultation
Animated Wail
Actinic Burst
Plasma Charge
Dream Flower
Zephyr Mantle
Chaotic Eye
Quadratic Continuum
Cocoon
Heavy Strike

BLU was perfect because it really doesn't need a subjob. 7 shadows from Occultation, and being able to haste/cure myself makes a huge difference. I set the following JA's in addition:

Double Attack
Dual Wield
MAB
Auto-Refresh
Conserve-MP

After TE's were dead, I rotated through hyppos/treants/flys depending on magic weakness proc time. I was able to farm about 30 total currency. Not having a sub makes putting shadows up expensive, but well worth it. Probably would have gotten more if I wasn't trying to help some noob get a few TE's after I had already done them for myself, wasted about 20min doing that....

Anyway, brought 2 stacks of echo's and antidotes, RR hairpin which I ended up not having to use since I was lucky enough not to die. Unfortunately no white proc, but the potential is definitely there to solo yourself a 100 on BLU if you're patient enough.

Typically I duo/trio with a DNC and THF friend, but neither was on last night, so wanted to see what a solo experience was like, so there it is!

EDIT: Ok more details less emotion.

30 seems like really low for BLU
Capping your skill would help a lot (thats almost 30% more shadows not to mention everything else)
Could you tell us how you was killing? Because for me it looks like you was killing even w/o a stagger instead of just spam some lowdmg spell and maintain mob stunned pretty much the whole fight with lunge.
Do you have TH waist?
Do you have Almace?
Do you have Sanguine build? It pretty much saves a ton of MP.

[Genosync]

Cool I could do more on any job you want. I could get more on anything sub nothing... I could make more with mnk w/o the sub and resting for HP >.> 30 is some pathetic number >.> The reason is probably you suck on BLU ( 7 shadows on occultation? gogo capped skills ). I imagine good blu should get like 100?

EDIT: Sorry maybe it's to rough from my side but I have a feeling that because of ppl like you BLU have bad opinion and that makes me angry ...

Every single time I read your posts, you're always a jackass.

He was sharing the information on what he got in his run. Maybe he's not the best in the world, but it has a better place in this thread than fucking bashing him.

We all know he didn't get capped shadows (9) from Occultation, we all know he could have gotten more currency than what he got, he was trying a different idea. Stop being a jackass.

At least he was able to do some solo without any noticeable problems, that's much more than I can say for 90% of the playerbase that can't even play their jobs right because of abyssea leeching only.

[Atoreis]

Every single time I read your posts, you're always a jackass.

He was sharing the information on what he got in his run. Maybe he's not the best in the world, but it has a better place in this thread than fucking bashing him.

We all know he didn't get capped shadows (9) from Occultation, we all know he could have gotten more currency than what he got, he was trying a different idea. Stop being a jackass.

At least he was able to do some solo without any noticeable problems, that's much more than I can say for 90% of the playerbase that can't even play their jobs right because of abyssea leeching only.

Sharing a misleading info is not always good. You need to make 100 times more to fix the bad reputation of the job than it takes to destroy it. Maybe you always played a bandwagon job and it wasnt a problem for you but it was for me many times. Imagine how much good looking post I would need to make to fix my reputation of jackass in your eyes? My life would be too short probably...

[Kensagaku]

I agree with the above statement from Geno. Also, to supplement it, BLU can be fairly useful. When I did Dyna-Valk with my partner the other day (we went DNC/X + BST/DNC) we had competition from a pretty damn good BLU/DNC (Almace, relevant +2s, seemed to be capped skill too). While he had about a third of our kill rate (face it, pets rape face in older content), he was soloing comfortably, procing effectively, and doing great damage. If it weren't for the fact that he was solo and therefore had limited potential for killspeed, he could have been serious competition. As it is, we had plenty of mobs for both of our groups to murder.

[Atoreis]

I agree with the above statement from Geno. Also, to supplement it, BLU can be fairly useful. When I did Dyna-Valk with my partner the other day (we went DNC/X + BST/DNC) we had competition from a pretty damn good BLU/DNC (Almace, relevant +2s, seemed to be capped skill too). While he had about a third of our kill rate (face it, pets rape face in older content), he was soloing comfortably, procing effectively, and doing great damage. If it weren't for the fact that he was solo and therefore had limited potential for killspeed, he could have been serious competition. As it is, we had plenty of mobs for both of our groups to murder.

First of all I edited my post after I calm down

Second of all you completely misunderstood me. What I wanted to say is BLU is VERY GOOD job and he should do much better than he did. He posted some very misleading info showing that BLU solo can get around 30 currency when its probably closer to 100 and probably more with sub.

[Raytheon]

Damn Ato, didnt mean to piss in your cornflakes bro.

I in fact do have capped Blu skill, including scarf, relic+1 head, Af+1 body, tathlum, symbios gloves, af3 pants, etc. I was unaware Occultation gave 9 shadows capped, my fault for not knowing.

I don't know where you get off saying I'm a bad Blu? I'm obviosly not the best, excuse me for not having an Almace, guess I'm not as dedicated as you. Not like I'm rolling around in Vendor slops lol...

Anyway, was my first solo, a learning experience, I probably could have done better, and I imagine I will next solo.

Also, what exactly was misleading about my information?

[Byrthnoth]

idc much for bickering, but if you go to Dynamis - Qufim instead next time you can fight:
* Bynes - Heck with bynes, proc/kill mage-type beastmen
* Shells - Diremites have MP
* Bronze - about half the Weapons have MP

Use /DNC and drain back MP with spells if you need it. No more resting required. Kill speed up, proc rate up. White proc isn't worth the decrease in proc rate that you face by not subbing DNC. Leave that for DNC mains to wonder about.

[Atoreis]

Damn Ato, didnt mean to piss in your cornflakes bro.

I in fact do have capped Blu skill, including scarf, relic+1 head, Af+1 body, tathlum, symbios gloves, af3 pants, etc. I was unaware Occultation gave 9 shadows capped, my fault for not knowing.

I don't know where you get off saying I'm a bad Blu? I'm obviosly not the best, excuse me for not having an Almace, guess I'm not as dedicated as you. Not like I'm rolling around in Vendor slops lol...

Anyway, was my first solo, a learning experience, I probably could have done better, and I imagine I will next solo.

Also, what exactly was misleading about my information?

I asked about Almace to make your info more useful not to argue you should have it. Its as much or more important as what spells you used and set. All other question in edit are there for the same reason.

[Raytheon]

To address the edit:

I staggered quite a bit, if i staggered early and had TP, I SCd with savage/quad. Hyppos I was comfortable with just using heavy strike for the low mp cost but would just sword kill to conserve mp. Sometimes I'd spam spells (Sprout Smack/Head Butt/Actinic Burst/Sudden Lunge) and not get proc, wasting a lot of mp for no reward. Flys were the most dangerous as sphere does 500ish damage, plus venom would do around 100 dmg before i could pop an antidote. Also I do have a Sanguine build, but only used in hectic situations, as Id rather save for SC for faster kills.

Byr, I actually dont have DNC leveled enough to sub (i know i know ; ; ) Did dunes tho because i was familiar where TE's are and mob difficulty. Also my goal was for white, otherwise I would have kept sub. I'll give your method a shot on qufim tho, thanks for the protip!

Edit: No, I don't have a TH belt. Here's more fuel for the hate machine:

TP/Idle
Weapon: Isador/Shamshir+2 (STR/Att)
Ammo: Mavi Tathlum
Head: Denali Bonnet
Neck: Mavi Scarf
Ear1/2: Brutal, Mavi
Body: relic
Hands: Symbios Gloves
Ring1/2: Dark/Rajas
Back: Atheling mantle
Waist: Twilight Belt
Legs: AF3+1
Feet: Homam

WS/DD spells
Weapon: Isador/Shamshir+2 (STR/Att)
Ammo: Mavi Tathlum
Head: Relic +1
Neck: Mavi Scarf
Ear1/2: Flame pearl, Flame earring
Body: AF+1
Hands: Heafoc Mitts
Ring1/2: Flame/Rajas
Back: +6STR/+6INT mantle (the name escapes me atm)
Waist: Warwolf
Legs: AF3+1
Feet: Medari brogues (macc+2, STR+6 augs)

I realize there's quite a few upgrades, and I'm working on them, mainly AF3+2, but BLU has taken a back burner to my WAR and THF in that regard. The AH-able upgrades that I've found just don't warrant the kind of gil I'd need to spend for such minuscule upgrades.

[Atoreis]

To address the edit:

I staggered quite a bit, if i staggered early and had TP, I SCd with savage/quad. Hyppos I was comfortable with just using heavy strike for the low mp cost but would just sword kill to conserve mp. Sometimes I'd spam spells (Sprout Smack/Head Butt/Actinic Burst/Sudden Lunge) and not get proc, wasting a lot of mp for no reward. Flys were the most dangerous as sphere does 500ish damage, plus venom would do around 100 dmg before i could pop an antidote. Also I do have a Sanguine build, but only used in hectic situations, as Id rather save for SC for faster kills.

Byr, I actually dont have DNC leveled enough to sub (i know i know ; ; ) Did dunes tho because i was familiar where TE's are and mob difficulty. Also my goal was for white, otherwise I would have kept sub. I'll give your method a shot on qufim tho, thanks for the protip!

Edit: No, I don't have a TH belt. Here's more fuel for the hate machine:

TP/Idle
Weapon: Isador/Shamshir+2 (STR/Att)
Ammo: Mavi Tathlum
Head: Denali Bonnet
Neck: Mavi Scarf
Ear1/2: Brutal, Mavi
Body: relic
Hands: Symbios Gloves
Ring1/2: Dark/Rajas
Back: Atheling mantle
Waist: Twilight Belt
Legs: AF3+1
Feet: Homam

WS/DD spells
Weapon: Isador/Shamshir+2 (STR/Att)
Ammo: Mavi Tathlum
Head: Relic +1
Neck: Mavi Scarf
Ear1/2: Flame pearl, Flame earring
Body: AF+1
Hands: Heafoc Mitts
Ring1/2: Flame/Rajas
Back: +6STR/+6INT mantle (the name escapes me atm)
Waist: Warwolf
Legs: AF3+1
Feet: Medari brogues (macc+2, STR+6 augs)

I realize there's quite a few upgrades, and I'm working on them, mainly AF3+2, but BLU has taken a back burner to my WAR and THF in that regard. The AH-able upgrades that I've found just don't warrant the kind of gil I'd need to spend for such minuscule upgrades.

I will be faster than Draylo! Use evasion set.

Also Your TP set is very bad its like what 13% haste? Pink body,head,hands are better and cost like 20k? Sorry but this TP set could easily be posted in this thread. I dont know about your skills maybe they are good but your gear sets are pretty poor and limited. You should have evasion/refresh set for staggering phase and use lunge all the time when stun will wear so you should almost not even got hit by TP move most of the time. That will cut MP used a lot. I have no idea why You didnt set the best possible DD spell for this kind of event which is Delta thrust. Sorry but more Im thinking about it more terrible this looks so better I will stop here.

[Darkmagi]

Level /dnc, make a SB build especially since no almace, fix your tp set. That kind of tp gear in 2011 is extremely bad and inexcusable. Spam heavy strike/delta thrust, you should only use QC when you have a lot of excess mp.

[Helel]

I agree with the above statement from Geno. Also, to supplement it, BLU can be fairly useful. When I did Dyna-Valk with my partner the other day (we went DNC/X + BST/DNC) we had competition from a pretty damn good BLU/DNC (Almace, relevant +2s, seemed to be capped skill too). While he had about a third of our kill rate (face it, pets rape face in older content), he was soloing comfortably, procing effectively, and doing great damage. If it weren't for the fact that he was solo and therefore had limited potential for killspeed, he could have been serious competition. As it is, we had plenty of mobs for both of our groups to murder.

BLU spells rape face in older content, much more than BST pets. A solo BLU should be able to kill faster than a DNC and BST combined. The problem is that you have less TH on BLU. If you're duoing however, I don't see how any other job combo could be better than THF/DNC + BLU/DNC. DNC + BST/DNC is a waste of time.

[Raffi_XI]

Well geared bsts kill pretty fast. I usually go bst/dnc with dipper for TH. If we have a thf i use tiger, if no thf its dipper. Tiger hits for 200-250ish crits for 400-450ish, double attacks a lot. Yuly is pretty weak, hits for 150sh crits for 250ish triple attacks. I use Guttler / Richardet's axe +3 (Da+10). I keep pets HP high for set bonus hits. Set bonus combined with relic bonus shows a ton of 300-600 (random 900 double procs) normal hits. Onslaughts from my horrible gear do 1400-1800 with random 2k+s from DA/TA.

With dynamis, its not so much about kill speed as its more about proc speed. Dancers are the kings (queens?) of ja proccing. Blu will shine more when more people do dynamis and pretty much force people to not do job ability procs, but magic procs instead. On Asura its getting pretty close to that time. Lots of people enter and camp on top of you. Gets pretty annoying.

[Raytheon]

I guess I've been so used to stacking blue magic skill/acc gear to ensure stuns land that I never thought about switching it up. I have a great evasion build for THF, so I guess I have one for BLU now too. I didn't think BLU's native evasion skill was even decent enough to make an evasion build for... I'll give it a shot though. Did dyna again tonight, only got 36 currency.

I'm prolly doin' it wrong, but Delta Thrust never seemed that hot to me, I'll toss it in the lineup.

[NynJa]

Consider damage / MP. Yes, Quad will do nicer numbers, but its also like 5x as much mp.

[Prothescar]

I guess I've been so used to stacking blue magic skill/acc gear to ensure stuns land that I never thought about switching it up. I have a great evasion build for THF, so I guess I have one for BLU now too. I didn't think BLU's native evasion skill was even decent enough to make an evasion build for... I'll give it a shot though. Did dyna again tonight, only got 36 currency.

I'm prolly doin' it wrong, but Delta Thrust never seemed that hot to me, I'll toss it in the lineup.

Delta Thrust is probably one of the most broken spells we have against most non-NM mobs even damage aside (it's no slouch with a proper setup). The plague will stop them from using TP attacks 95%+ of the time.

[Modoru]

Hey Ato: instead of being a pile of pixie sticks, how about you help the guy and recommend gear instead of making him seem like the biggest disappointment to the human race? There's a huge difference between constructive criticism and bashing on someone.

On that note: I don't have much new to report, other than a decent 200?~ish run in valkurm doing hippos/trees/traps. Moving around was a bit of a pain, but the only problem in the run was probably Soporific.

Good run otherwise.

[Deader2818]

I think Ato just tries really hard to be Thorny.

[Rocl]

I normally hate Atoreis but I don't see why people are giving him shit here? I guess it's as I didn't see his original post, but realistically, as good intentioned as Raytheon may be, by posting his experience, he obviously opens up criticism of his technique. Not to mention, Atoreis is right. His original post is still too sparse in information to be considered truly helpful. He lists, what his spell set-up and the fact he got Time Extensions, lol? He pointed some flaws in his own routine (like helping somebody! down right sin if you ask me), and what's the harm in pointing out more flaws? Fuck, as belligerent as Thorny was (thanks Jornna) you can't say that he didn't at least provide some benefit by being an egotistical prick and a condescending bastard. Mainly because everyone increased their efficiency so he'd shut the fuck up.

This should be encouraged, because through critique we can establish a better routine, no? And so by Atoreis (rightfully) pointing out flaws in his gear, and the low currency count other posters, and Raytheon himself, can get a better idea of what to do should they attempt to solo currency without a subjob. Is this like a totally idealized world? Am I being too starry eyed here and looking at my blood brother with too rosy of a glass? Will I ever stop asking rhetorical questions?

What I'm saying is, by complaining about Atoreis complaining about less-than-stellar players, you are doing more harm because now you've got self-righteous bastards like me posting, and god knows what will happen later if this conversation keeps up.

*Editor's Note: I am a terrible player.