Neo-Dynamis Changes

[Modoru]

Okay, I'm way behind on all this, might anyone give me a quick fill-in on what these "touches" and the new lingo is?

[muhn]

I did valk today got 13 touches with a thf/dnc and pocket whm fought the higher hippos and treants had th6 on most mobs. I remember 1 mob that I didn't proc dropped a touch but all the others came from proc'd mobs.

[Scrooge]

Okay, I'm way behind on all this, might anyone give me a quick fill-in on what these "touches" and the new lingo is?

Items needed to upgrade Relic Armor and/or Relic Armor +1 => Relic Armor +2

x number of :

Forgotten Thoughts to upgrade head pieces.
Forgotten Hopes to upgrade body pieces.
Forgotten Touches to upgrade hand pieces.
Forgotten Journeys to upgrade leg pieces.
Forgotten Steps to upgrade feet pieces.

[Shenrien]

Went out to Valkurm tonight, SAM/WAR DRK/SAM THF/NIN WHM/RDM WHM/RDM did only WS procs on the DC Trent/Hippo/Flys to the west, first batch you come across, and walked out with a little under 200 currency, and 26 Touches, we sat on trents for the better part of an hour and during proc time we noticed more touches then without the occasional WS proc, so decided to rotate around, first hour we got 10, for the remaining 45 minutes with procs we got 16, could just be dumb luck or maybe proc increases the chances of them to drop? Then again, probably just placebo.

So 26 total for a run to me doesn't seem that bad.

[Helel]

Got 42 Forgotten Hopes from Xarcabard just now off the DC demons. Many of them dropped two, which is weird because none of the mobs from Valkurm did. Upgraded BLU body, 2/tic refresh!

Edit: Dual box RDM+BLU/DNC and THF/DNC. Also 13200 xp total (THF was upgrading hands +2).

[InsaniacTHF]

I'm thinking there is some kind of time stipulation for the +2 items. Sometimes you get a buttload and sometimes they don't drop at all off the same exact mobs.

[Helel]

I'm thinking there is some kind of time stipulation for the +2 items. Sometimes you get a buttload and sometimes they don't drop at all off the same exact mobs.

I thought this too, that they would make them drop like beastmen seals, every 3m or so. But we've gotten them back to back, even two double drops in a row. I think it's entirely TH-based.

[Mojo]

I think he means relating to the Vana'diel day/time, not a finite time interval

[InsaniacTHF]

^

[Helel]

Oh. I guess that's possible, but I never noticed them all dropping at once, or at a certain time. Seemed pretty spread out. But that's just my eyeballs talking.

[vagus]

Went with Th6 and was getting 1 out of ever 4 DC dropping the +2 items.

[InsaniacTHF]

My evidence isn't too concrete but In the 2 days I've done dynamis I've had 1 day with semi-regular drops and 1 day with 2 drops. Also a group in my shell today went their entire first 70 minutes with 0 drops and got 12 in their last 50. Another group I know of went 8/8 and then 0/15 at the end of a run after doing relic trials in xarc. It seems like something turns the drops on and off but it could just be coincidence of course. I don't think it's at all tied to the proc rotation in dreamlands though. I'll try to start taking note of moon day time zone mobs ect ect when/if I run into a slew of drops.

[Sechs]

Anybody tested if for the stage2 trials (20k xp) you need the item equipped? I think it's pretty obvious that you do, but just looking for confirmation.
Also, is there an updated and detailed list of the stage2 augments you can put on Relic+2?

[dasva]

Yeah the augments are in the Update thread

[Sechs]

Ah, I'll look better. I only found some incomplete datamines on Julian's page. Guess I'll look better into the updated thread.


Also another thing which I don't remember if I already asked or not, but I found no answer. It's about a discrepancy with the Relic+2 datamined stats from JP and the current live server +2 stats.
In the original JP datamine almost all augment/enhance effects were upped by a tier, while on the current live server the majority still has the same description as the original level 75 era relics.
Aside from the obvious answer "upgrade the pieces and test on your own" I was wondering if there's a possibility (from further datamine or maybe jp live server descriptions?) to tell wether this is a problem in the english description and those effects really got upped a tier, or if the problem was in the original JP datamine and those effects stayed the same.

[Helel]

Anybody tested if for the stage2 trials (20k xp) you need the item equipped? I think it's pretty obvious that you do, but just looking for confirmation.
Also, is there an updated and detailed list of the stage2 augments you can put on Relic+2?

Yeah you do. You get an update after a certain amount of xp is gained. Xp rings do not work.

[dasva]

I don't remember the exact answer but I do remember it was asked also in the update thread somewhere and I think answered more or less.

[Prothescar]

Went in BLU/DNC THF/DNC, left with 11 Forgotten Hopes. Idk how you managed to get 41 of them, but we staggered every DC demon and had at least TH7 up on every one. They took forever and a half to kill and were pretty dangerous fights as well. Did EPs for the last 20-30 minutes and got 5 of the 11 Hopes. Not a single double drop.

[Helel]

Here's double drop:

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5629/doubledrop.jpg

We killed Kindred RNG, THF, and BST. Occasionally a WAR, WHM, or a BRD would link. But those jobs are pretty easy for the most part, except for the WAR. WAR can hit quite hard, especially with MS up.

We also had 3 people, not two. I had my mule on RDM/SCH. We got 38 yesterday in valkurm, but I would say the old zones definitely have a better drop rate. We got 495 currency in valkurm, but only 38 touches. We only got 260-something in xarcabard, but 42 hopes.

DC Hydra in Beaucedine are gonna be a huge pain in the ass though. I remember accidentally killing those back @95 (thinking they dropped attestation NM pops) and they were really tough. I'm assuming that they drop the +2 items right?

[Sechs]

I don't remember the exact answer but I do remember it was asked also in the update thread somewhere and I think answered more or less.

I think there was a misunderstandment.
In my posts here I was talking about the "basic" enhances/augment effects, not the ones you get with the Stage2 upgrade of +2 Relic.
I found many other info in that thread anyway, and posted my question there. Thanks for pointing it out!