Neo-Dynamis Changes

[Buffy]

You won't be raging at PUPs, because they'll be fighting WS proc monsters while you're fighting JA proc ones. It would help congestion quite a bit.

Oh, I mis-understood that, I thought you were saying that the PuP WS would count as a /ja cause of the game mechanics. Well then, carry on!

[Churchill]

There was no congestion during JA times before SE decided people were having fun

[darkepyon]

my group had the guy going dnc just change to his kannagi nin/dnc and just mow mobs down. 17 runs without a white really pissed us off. Sooo envious of people who can get them semi consistently.

Yeah that shit was disheartening. Even splitting off from the rest of the group to do another set of JA mobs proved fruitless. Not to blow my own horn but that was more my idea and it panned out quite nicely.

[Taim Meich]

Actually, PUPs can proc WS monsters using their JA attachments like Strobe. I hope all the BSTs switch to PUP/THF after the TH nerf.

I don't see the Perle BST army skilling up the magic of the automaton, nor buying all the necessary attachments to do well. Some will, sure, but even with Strobe, Flashbulb and Disruptor, proc rate is slower than /DNC on JA mobs, so it will discourage many.

[dasva]

Well you can skill up magic afk and a couple of runs will pay for the attachments easily. Especially when you consider not having to spend all that gil on pets and pet food. Of course learning how to play pup and how to trigger everything might be more than they are willing or able to do. But it sounds like a decent idea if it works well. Wonder how well pup works vs bst on just fighting stuff though

[Taim Meich]

Well you can skill up magic afk

Unless there's an alternative method to the afflictor in Bedeaux, you can't anymore, since with the recent changes to the spellcasting AI, -nas, healing, and enfeebling don't share recast. Once you're cursna'd, the automaton will try to enfeeble the mob you aggroed, ending your afk skillup attempt.

Still, I think there will be an increase of PUP farmers, but I don't think they will be as prevalent as the BST army. Damage-wise, you actually need good equipment, gear swaps, merits in Shijin (or at least SP, which implies Nyzul...), etc to kill things reasonably fast, so that might be a deterrent, too.


If I ever bother leveling THF past 15 (which I should), I will try a CoP zone to see what can I amass as PUP/THF. So far, my only attempts have been in Beaucedine, which sucks given how far apart are the TE, and how mixed the different proc type mobs are.

[CubsWoo]

You can still skillup with the Afflictor, but you need to keep the puppet's MP around 100 or so. At low MP it stops trying to enfeeble and only does -na spells, cures, pro/shell/haste etc. I've done PUP/THF a few times in Qufim (full +2/capped Haste, level 90 Vere, etc) and with TH3 from the Taru Sash I pull in 150-200 most of the time.

[Septimus]

OK, now all we have to do is convince the BST bandwagoners to change to PUP and everything is golden.

[Delain]

Doing the PUP trick is kind of nice. It is definitely less of a headache then competing with a million BST-tards for JA mobs. I will also say that the proc rate is pretty decent, as the couple times I did it as PUP (purely farming forgotten items and figured I could get a few levels on magic skill at the same time), I have pulled an easy 130 or so as PUP/THF. Now, I was in Valkrum and was focusing on DC mobs, and due to my laziness, and lack of a giveadamn I did not move to the byne WS mobs during their window, but rather stayed on Treants or Sheep. Had I done the byne mobs, I could have easily pulled aroun 170-180 I think since I skipped two byne windows.

My PUP is really well geared, and I really think the largest reason I did as well as I did was due to my kill speed, as is mentioned here as being a huge difference between PUP farming and BST farming. Any moron can pop the hippogriff atm and be fine, but like Teim said, it requires a solid, well geared PUP to be able to farm with any real semblance of success using this method. Procing is easy, just put up all the mob targeting abilities and just kill it, and I think I proced 9/10 of my mobs without any real effort since the abilities are firing off about as much as a DNC/THF doing JA.

All I know is I got 10 levels on magic skill the last run, so it was a success.

[Churchill]

Whats the Average Kills for DNC/0 and MNK/THF vs MNK/DNC and THF/DNC. Killspeed may be causing some difference.

There's a whole lot of additional factors there beyond the change in TH. If anything, you just showed how much elimination of one subjob and one source of procs hurts your coin intake. MNK/DNC THF/DNC vs MNK/DNC DNC/THF would have been a better albeit still limited comparison.

As far as this, kills are about the same, sometimes I killed more with one setup vs the other, but usually they were near enough to each other. I don't really gain or losemuch from being /dnc vs /thf and I don't proc many mobs on MNK. I usually pull/cycle procs only with the THF or DNC so they are getting missed and not eating MP like I do on MNK. MNK goes and smites, repeat.

My friends get white procs out the ass, I've never seen one. I've never even ran by or camped near one occurring. To me, it's better to go with subs and smash through shit and I may start subbing /WAR again just to smash shit. I definitely feel in a larger group where you are sort of wasted being at the same camp, splitting off a THF and DNC/00 to go to EP camps and try for whites (easier to kill, more chances to proc) is worth the effort. I don't think it's worth it in a 2-3 man group though.

[fantasticdan]

So is BST the best way to farm Neo Dynamis now? My friend and I can pull 200 singles duo on average as THF and MNK, how much of an increase would we get if we leveled to BST?

What zone are you getting that little currency from duo? That's about what I average solo in ice/dreamlands with th1 blu/dnc.

[dasva]

While anyone can pop a Falcorr there is a rediculous difference in kill speed between full perle no merit ws bst and a well geared one.

[Lyramion]

I especially like the BSTs that congest the area and aren't even using a TH pet...

[Guitarman]

read up to about page 95, figured i'd ask, which zone is going to be my best bet to solo TE? I have bst, nin thf and /dnc available, also a 2nd acct that can be whm or blm. What's going to be my best bet?

[Cleverness]

Valk/Bubu/Qufim TE aren't horrible at all really in comparison to the city zones. The 20min is about the only real 'difficult' one in a few of them cause the mobs surrounding them are higher level in comparison to EP. On what job, really just depends on what you have best geared. BST Pets do alot of damage but as mentioned, a well geared BST will obviously trump a perle one in terms of damage output. If you're gonna do this long term for gil you'll probably want to do a few runs as THF anyway since BST TH nerf will probably make it unappealing, to get used to it.

[Guitarman]

I appreciate the response. My bst is fairly well geared, +2 af3 pants, adaberk, twilight belt etc etc. Bubu it is!

[Septimus]

I especially like the BSTs that congest the area and aren't even using a TH pet...

You noticed that too? I've seen so many slugs lately and scratch my head asking "why".

[noodles355]

Qufim TEs are easier than Valk/Bubu cus less spread out. Not sure why so many people go to Valk/Bubu over Qufim, maybe the EP mobs aren't spread out well, but the DC camps/mob choice i much better than bubu at least imo.

[dasva]

I'll use cheap non th pets for getting TEs... but that's it

[Churchill]

I don't know about BST, but Qufim sucks if there are more than 3 separate groups doing it.

EP camps don't have enough monsters through all proc times, DC mobs require camping in aggro camps which may mean a bad pull is a full wipe. Not to mention, you are fighting Tigers, Weapons, Snolls (which one shot you if not stunned), Raptors and Kraken. Some of the worst mob selection through all proc times lol.

By all means though, Qufim it up everyone :D