Neo-Dynamis Changes

[Foldypaws]

No reason not to follow Shock Squal with Chaotic strike though XD

[Auronku]

Would agree that Shock Squall showed really great results for our runs that we did last night. Managed to win 6 times out of 7 pops, but did have decent luck with guessing right on the first split. Regardless, the ability to not only stun but AoE stun both him and the clone for up to 8 seconds I observed was super busted and really helped our damage stay constant.

Sidenote, we also saw our first Sagasinger in about 25 kills total. Also got our second double Marrow drop in about 20 kills since the marrow has been in his loot pool.

[Lyramion]

first Sagasinger in about 25 kills total.

Well I havent seen one ever so far. Do other groups have it drop and noone talks about it? Or you just hit the megajackpot? Is there any testing done on the add effect anywhere I missed?

[Valena]

Yes, farming with non-TH pets. On a few occasions I have had assholes with a slug come up and camp right the fuck on top of me, and then fucking stalk me as I go from spot to spot. Farming Dynamis has done wonders for my misanthropy.

As for camps, anymore I tend to do DC mobs because competition for EP mobs on Bahamut is fucking ridiculous most of the time. (Of course, competition for DC mobs can get pretty fucking atrocious as well, fuck this server.) Without competition on DCs, I can generally net about 160-170 currency two-boxing THF/DNC and WHM along with 8-12 forgotten items. A lot of risk involved with DC mobs, if you get multiple links of certain mobs there is a strong possibility of death. Not to mention that some TP moves (Jet Stream, Silence Gas) can do more damage than you have HP.

Sorry to go back on this topic, but why chose Whm mule for a thf/dnc dualbox ? My mule has access to Whm rdm blm brd, and frankly, Whm would be my last choice for an alt with Thf/dnc as main. I usually bring it Rdm/blm. Gets TEs way easier than Thf, downing them in 2 nukes, so the mule gets all the 10min, and the Thf searchs for the 20.
After, during the farm, mule pulls easily, has access to all Sleeps, and is durable enough full buffed. I just don't see the point to Whm alt, even Blm/whm would be a better combo, probably OSing the TEs.

And yes, fuck Qufim. If there is even only 1 ppl inside, you can be sure Triple bats will be taken / you will be camped on top of. To easily fucked runs in short

[Kalasin]

Well I havent seen one ever so far. Do other groups have it drop and noone talks about it? Or you just hit the megajackpot? Is there any testing done on the add effect naywhere I missed?

Megajackpot. We haven't seen one either, and the groups I know who do it regularly haven't either.

[Jem]

We've never seen one either. Hell, I think we've only seen 2 Talekeepers.

[Mahoro]

Never seen a Sagasinger, but we have gotten a Talekeeper. Yours is the first NA Sagasinger I've heard of!

[Ophannus]

Maybe it's cuz TH is reset when it splits? Would imagine so since it goes yellow for a sec and hate seems to reset.

Have there been any reports of staggering DL and for that matter ADL or other Arch mobs?

[Jem]

It's probably a combination of TH resetting when it splits plus having a balls drop rate to start with. If your THF doesn't have PD then it's entirely possible for them to die without sticking TH on ADL, especially if it isn't the first clone.

[Auronku]

Well I havent seen one ever so far. Do other groups have it drop and noone talks about it? Or you just hit the megajackpot? Is there any testing done on the add effect naywhere I missed?

Ours went to Vikter, not sure if he's done any testing thus far, but haven't asked him either. We've only see 2 Talekeepers over those 25 kills as well. Given the testimonials I would assume we were just super lucky.

[noodles355]

Sorry to go back on this topic, but why chose Whm mule for a thf/dnc dualbox ? My mule has access to Whm rdm blm brd, and frankly, Whm would be my last choice for an alt with Thf/dnc as main. I usually bring it Rdm/blm. Gets TEs way easier than Thf, downing them in 2 nukes, so the mule gets all the 10min, and the Thf searchs for the 20.

If you can 2box two different chars looking for different TEs at the same time then you are a better 2box than me. Being male, I lack such a strong ability to multi-task.

Why take a whm? You can link and hold more mobs with less chance of dying. Which means faster procs and faster kills. Sleepga-ing mobs is all well and good except that Violent Flourish will wake them up and Animated Flourish's recast is shit. I'm not sure why you're so hung up on TEs either. It's not as if they're hard to kill at all. In the end, to each their own. Without competition I should be aiming for about 15-18 forgotten items and 230-250 coins 2box thf+whm in a good zone.

[noodles355]

It's probably a combination of TH resetting when it splits plus having a balls drop rate to start with. If your THF doesn't have PD then it's entirely possible for them to die without sticking TH on ADL, especially if it isn't the first clone.

Just stand them about 24" away and /ra each clone. A missed ranged attack will still put the thf on the hate list which is enough to apply Treasure Hunter iirc.

[Jem]

Just stand them about 24" away and /ra each clone. A missed ranged attack will still put the thf on the hate list which is enough to apply Treasure Hunter iirc.

And risk it running off like the other day when it took a fancy to Vigs? Pass!

[noodles355]

Well, could just wait until our MA starts attacking a clone! I know they die quickly but I'm sure there's time for one /ra after DDs engage. Otherwise I'd suggest dropping a cor for thf before PD, but 90% of the time the damn rolls wear off about 10 seconds into the fight -.-

[Lyramion]

Ours went to Vikter, not sure if he's done any testing thus far, but haven't asked him either. We've only see 2 Talekeepers over those 25 kills as well. Given the testimonials I would assume we were just super lucky.

Well... ! Time to go melee some buffed up RDM weapons in sky and see what happens? Anyone ever fool around on wyrms with Talekeeper?

Slap Vikters ass to do something with it !

[Limlight]

If you can 2box two different chars looking for different TEs at the same time then you are a better 2box than me. Being male, I lack such a strong ability to multi-task.

Why take a whm? You can link and hold more mobs with less chance of dying. Which means faster procs and faster kills. Sleepga-ing mobs is all well and good except that Violent Flourish will wake them up and Animated Flourish's recast is shit. I'm not sure why you're so hung up on TEs either. It's not as if they're hard to kill at all. In the end, to each their own. Without competition I should be aiming for about 15-18 forgotten items and 230-250 coins 2box thf+whm in a good zone.

I tri box and having a rdm to cast haste fulltime on both of my chars and never having to use any tp for curing is such a boon for kill speed. But it is a lot of work.

[Toxeus]

Would agree that Shock Squall showed really great results for our runs that we did last night. Managed to win 6 times out of 7 pops, but did have decent luck with guessing right on the first split. Regardless, the ability to not only stun but AoE stun both him and the clone for up to 8 seconds I observed was super busted and really helped our damage stay constant.

Sidenote, we also saw our first Sagasinger in about 25 kills total. Also got our second double Marrow drop in about 20 kills since the marrow has been in his loot pool.

tried shock squall last night and worked horribly for us, barely stunned at all, do u need capped smn skill or something for it to work extra good?

[Auronku]

tried shock squall last night and worked horribly for us, barely stunned at all, do u need capped smn skill or something for it to work extra good?

Hard to really say if it's based on skill or just largely random, no real experience with it before this. Not all of them were amazing and lasted very long, so it could just be great luck again. We had 4 Summoners in the alliance and pretty much all of them were using it so perhaps it was more of a quantity thing. This was our first time really using it. Comparing it to our other fights though, the stuns were very noticeable.

[Koyangi]

If you can 2box two different chars looking for different TEs at the same time then you are a better 2box than me. Being male, I lack such a strong ability to multi-task.

Why take a whm? You can link and hold more mobs with less chance of dying. Which means faster procs and faster kills. Sleepga-ing mobs is all well and good except that Violent Flourish will wake them up and Animated Flourish's recast is shit. I'm not sure why you're so hung up on TEs either. It's not as if they're hard to kill at all. In the end, to each their own. Without competition I should be aiming for about 15-18 forgotten items and 230-250 coins 2box thf+whm in a good zone.

With as much neo-dynamis i've done on my RDM, with my Wife's THF/DNC, I've never been in a situation where I was like "damn I wish I was a WHM right now." You get a lot more use out of RDM in Dynamis farming currency than a WHM.

[Shenrien]

There are at least two Sagasingers on my server that are NA, and there have been a bunch sprouting up all over the place on other servers, I'm curious if both Sagasinger and Talekeeper can be in the same pool together or if it's just another Pixie Earring and D.ring thing.