Neo-Dynamis Changes

[Deader2818]

Doesn't the af3+2 body for thf remove that?

[Byrthnoth]

One guy claimed it and never proved it. Iirc, I couldn't get the Subtle Blow to work.

[NynJa]

"thf vest that enhances conspirator is simple without it and u use it the person with hate ill have no effect on them. with it equipped it ignores the fact they have hate and enhances them as well being a full time thf ive tested it out 100s of times and same end result hope that helps with ur info. "

Thats a pretty shitty test, cause I just did it myself:
Pull mob, dont engage, make sure vest isnt equipped, use conspirator, check result

[20:20:40]Nynja's ranged attack hits the Ul'hpemde for 55 points of damage.
[20:20:56]Nynja uses Conspirator.
[20:20:56]Nynja gains the effect of Conspirator.
[20:20:56]Vermy gains the effect of Conspirator.

test fails


its either a subtle blow+ gain or an accuracy gain, or both.

[Byrthnoth]

Naw, it always says you gain the effect of conspirator. That effect doesn't apply to the person with hate though. You can see this by testing subtle blow as THF/BST + RDM against a low level enemy. RDM tanks it, THF uses Conspirator and hits it 10 times with a D1 weapon, Charm and check its TP. Repeat with the THF tanking. THF feeds more TP when they're tanking.

[Khamsin]

Unless you can handle clusters/bees, either with stuns or not feeding as much tp, it's not really worthwhile to do tav over other CoP zones. If you're after xp - spend the 1-3 runs you need for it looping through worms and move back to other cop's.

Do demons on the upper level, you mean. People farm tav, and they either go worms -> bees -> clusters, or leeches -> bees -> clusters (and sometimes fish if there's competition). I personally dominate worms -> bees -> clusters when I go (and final sting never gives me trouble except sometimes I get no drops, and I just violent flourish the clusters).

And if there's more than one or two people there farming, good luck finding enough worms to make it worthwhile (plus, they're EP).

No one kills demons, and they are DC. You'll have them all to yourself.

[NynJa]

Naw, it always says you gain the effect of conspirator. That effect doesn't apply to the person with hate though. You can see this by testing subtle blow as THF/BST + RDM against a low level enemy. RDM tanks it, THF uses Conspirator and hits it 10 times with a D1 weapon, Charm and check its TP. Repeat with the THF tanking. THF feeds more TP when they're tanking.

The guy was saying that if you use conspirator without the vest, you dont gain the effect, it simply says no effect. I've seen it a couple times, but couldnt replicate it, nor did I bother documenting, but I think that has to do with interference from another JA.

[Ophannus]

I always use it when its up when I solo since I thought the vest gave the effect. Out of thousands of uses I've never seen 'No Effect"

[Karbuncle]

The guy was saying that if you use conspirator without the vest, you dont gain the effect, it simply says no effect. I've seen it a couple times, but couldnt replicate it, nor did I bother documenting, but I think that has to do with interference from another JA.

Pretty sure most forms of Subtle Blow enhancement Spells/JA's make it fail. The Ninja spell that enhances Subtle Blow definitely stops it from working... I know that for a fact

[NynJa]

Pretty sure most forms of Subtle Blow enhancement Spells/JA's make it fail. The Ninja spell that enhances Subtle Blow definitely stops it from working... I know that for a fact

Auspice doesnt interfere with it when I tried it a second time, BUT...just to try it out and confirm, WITH vest+2 on my mule:
[12:50:35]Nynja starts casting Myoshu: Ichi on Nynja.
[12:50:43]Nynja casts Myoshu: Ichi.
[12:50:43]Nynja gains the effect of Subtle Blow Plus.
[12:51:59]Vermy uses Conspirator.
[12:51:59]Vermy gains the effect of Conspirator.
[12:51:59]No effect on Nynja.
[12:51:59]Kehhiko gains the effect of Conspirator.

I told you I'm not crazy, I knew I saw it have no effect sometimes.

(timestamp looks fucked because I did it out of pt and had to lock on NPC to freeze myoshu buff while I reset conspirator)

[Yinnyth]

Has it ever been discovered why ADL sometimes gets really spammy with magic? We had 2 kills tonight, and I recorded both of them for once, and going over the video I noticed both kills had a few things in common:

1. The first version of ADL was not magic spammy.
2. After splitting, one of his clones was magic spammy, the other was not.
3. We killed the clone that was not magic spammy, and it was the right clone both times.

Before I get too excited about the possibility of telling which clone is real, has anyone else done any sort of research into this matter before? 2 kills is hardly a respectable sample size, so I'd really appreciate if anyone else has some information on this matter.

[Tachi]

Yes, one of the 2 ADL sit there while spamming magic and without trying to melee at all, he can hardly even move or reach his target since he is continuously casting something. However, this has never been an indication to find the real ADL for us. I recorded many ADL fights in the past, the magic one is not necessarily a fake.

[Korialstrasz]

Late to the party on this, but I'm guessing you can't change his name like you can with lamps to figure out which is real? Has it been tried? (or can't it be done?)

[Yinnyth]

@Korialstrasz, that has been tried, and does not work. Or if it does work, no one seems to know what mixture of moonphase/day/time/voodoo is required to predict which ADL is real.

@Tachi, my current working theory is not that the magic spam one is always the real or always the fake one. My current working theory is that if the original ADL pops in magic spam mode, then the magic spam clone is the real one, and if ADL spawns in melee mode, then the melee mode clone is the real one. This is just a theory, however, and I only have 2 vids to back up my hypothesis at this point. I've gone through some various other vids on YouTube, but the camera angles are too frustrating for me to pull any information about something as difficult to track as "casts more frequently than normal".

A few months ago, I watched a JP group who sat still for about 20 seconds after the split, then they all engaged one of the clones and killed it (it was the real one). Maybe they just had a slow assist and got lucky.

A little before then, one of my members who dualboxes our SMN mule sent it to the pop point while we were farming pop items. She claims a JP group there killed 4 in a row and picked the right clone all 4 times. Maybe they just got lucky. But I'm still hoping and looking for a way to accurately predict which clone is real. We have chronically bad luck, ourselves.

[Dakana]

I'm looking to try Dynamis procing on a PUP. What Automaton skills will proc the WS !!s? Is it only the offensive ones like Flashbulb or will Stoneskin also proc it? Also any general thoughts on the subject?

[Byrthnoth]

Offensive ones like Strobe and Flashbulb. Probably spam those two?

[Yinnyth]

Disruptor also works, though I think puppets only use it if the enemy is currently buffed. Shield bash works too. 99.999% sure that self-buff JAs like shock absorber and replicator do not work.

[Kalmado]

Just curious, does steal ever trigger? I haven't seen it myself.

[Byrthnoth]

JAs only trigger if they have an effect. Steal can supposedly trigger if it lands, but I've only had it land once.

[calinz]

Just curious, does steal ever trigger? I haven't seen it myself.

Yes, Steal can trigger. Seen it happen a few times. Can't remember if it always landed though.

[Johnblaze]

Steal can trigger if there is something to steal. Aura Steal usually is good for stealing buffs after they're put on and triggering at the same time.