Neo-Dynamis Changes

**Sorantia** · 2011-05-13 01:43

Does anyone even have a clue what causes determined the Red, blue, and yellow stagger? (along with green and white). It seems to stagger regardless of the colour but red seems to be far more common.

**Anariodin** · 2011-05-13 02:39

i put all this info together onto 1 web page
toyzintheatticls.net

**Plow** · 2011-05-13 02:47

Originally Posted by Atomic Skull

Nope they didn't say that. They said they wanted to balance the difficulty between upgrading relics and mythics. That would mean making relics harder or mythics easier, but certainly not relics easier.

They said they want to balance relics and mythics towards emps, not mythics towards relics.

Originally Posted by Rocl

I think the JA/WS/Magic split is pretty sound. Every proc I got tonight was on a DRK, DRG, or PLD mob with a weapon skill. There were quite a few instances that I can recall where we staggered by Weapon Skilling outside of 2HR or WS. I don't think that is as sound a theory, but hey, maybe it's lag. Something else interesting is that I pulled a Kindred Dark Knight after fighting Animated Scythe, and after it caught up to me, I Blade: Hi'd. Nothing happened. Later, getting TP a second time, Blade: Hi & stagger. Really weird.

An aside on the Scythe, Catastrophe did not insta-kill or whatever, I think someone mentioned the H2H doing this-- but it definitely didn't happen with the Scythe. (Some people in our group were worried.) However, Catastrophe did seem to occasionally ignore shadows (and it did hurt a lot ~1200 dmg). Also also, I've never fought the sychte before, but whenever he cast Phalanx, it seemed to be something more like -50% PDT than real Phalanx.

And, for Dynamis - Xarcabard, the lotto windows seem to open like 15-20min after death. Killed Zagan a few times.

I have a theory I'm working on...

I think it's always possible to stagger, but it changes throughout the fight, but right around ws/casting/2hr it allows a lot more stuff to stagger.

At this point I'm almost certain it's either that, or a low chance to proc even with the right spell/ja/weapon for a given mob but the chance to actually proc with the right ability increases a lot around them.

Also, coin drop rate is already dramatically higher than what people thought early in the thread just from this kinda-sorta beginning to maybe figure it out.

**Revann** · 2011-05-13 03:39

Decided to enter Sandy late this evening with myself on NIN/DNC and a BRD/WHM buddy to dick around for a little bit. We got some time statues and was working on trying to proc mobs with the theory we came up with. After 40 minutes, we did not get 1 single proc using JA's on Mnks/Thfs/Rngs etc, WS's on Plds/Wars/Drks, or magic on mage mobs. We then had a MNK buddy come out and join us, and sure enough the first 4 mobs we fought after he entered we successfully proc'd, which leads me to believe that there exists a minimum requirement for proc'ing mobs, in this case would be having at least 3 people in our party. It just didn't seem coincidental that we couldn't proc for 40+ minutes with 2 people, then suddenly proc'd 4 in a row when we had 3 people, following our theory of procs. After that, we proceeded to get many more procs in a short period of time, including a couple nms. What still gets me is the blue vs. red vs. yellow procs. After we started to proc, we got 10 yellow procs in a row, then suddenly towards the end we got 9 red procs in a row, all consecutive and not mixing any other color. We did not see any blue procs. I'll post the proc'ing stats here followed by some screenshots for verification. The procs are listed in chronological order.

Spoiler: show

**apoptygma** · 2011-05-13 03:40

Originally Posted by Leey

WEAPON SKILLS
Shadow of Death - Yellow
Red Lotus Blade - Red
Sanguine Blade - Red
Ground Strike - Red
Drakesbane - Blue
Tachi Fudo - Red
Dancing Edge - Red
Victory Smite - Red
Blade Jin - Red
Evisceration - Blue
Aeolian Edge - Red
Mandalic Stab - Red
Shark Bite - Blue

Rudra's Storm - Red
Yukko's Fury - Red

**Deader2818** · 2011-05-13 03:45

Raging Rush proced yellow a few times for us in xarc tonight.

**Xera** · 2011-05-13 03:53

Here's some more proc samples, time zone is Eastern.

Spoiler: show

**Anariodin** · 2011-05-13 04:07

I will take any SS from my Dyna rompings.

**Deathknight** · 2011-05-13 04:24

Originally Posted by Anomander

Boss tossed our salads with chainspell (didnt see it use it but there was no cast time or recast time) death when it got low. Not sure if thats old or new behavior but never had it happen before (granted killing with 24 is a bit diff than 4).

He always wanted to CS death around ~20%

**Djohn** · 2011-05-13 04:42

Originally Posted by Xera

[19:49:09]Staleyx readies Dancing Edge.
[19:49:09]Praleart's casting is interrupted.
[19:49:09]Staleyx's attack staggers the fiend!
[19:49:09]The Vanguard Purloiner uses Perfect Dodge.

WS proc on a THF doesn't match the mob job theory... looks like we need some more testing. Maybe it's actually just 2 categories? or maybe proc color has something to do with it...

**Sorantia** · 2011-05-13 05:33

Originally Posted by Djohn

WS proc on a THF doesn't match the mob job theory... looks like we need some more testing. Maybe it's actually just 2 categories? or maybe proc color has something to do with it...

Read the log entry carefully.

[19:49:09]Staleyx readies Dancing Edge.
[19:49:09]Praleart's casting is interrupted.
[19:49:09]Staleyx's attack staggers the fiend!
[19:49:09]The Vanguard Purloiner uses Perfect Dodge.

There is no indication that the WS actually attacked the mob, there's too little information. It does tell us that Staleyx staggered a mob, but it doesn't tell us which one. The Vanguard THF might even be a mob being fought by somebody else. There's no solid information here to explain the stagger.

**Jem** · 2011-05-13 05:53

Originally Posted by Rocl

However, Catastrophe did seem to occasionally ignore shadows (and it did hurt a lot ~1200 dmg). Also also, I've never fought the sychte before, but whenever he cast Phalanx, it seemed to be something more like -50% PDT than real Phalanx.

Catastrophe from Apocalypse always goes through Shadows (but not through Blink) so I imagine the same is true for Animated Scythe.

**Rocl** · 2011-05-13 06:08

Well that explains that then!

**Plow** · 2011-05-13 07:37

Originally Posted by Sorantia

Read the log entry carefully.

There is no indication that the WS actually attacked the mob, there's too little information. It does tell us that Staleyx staggered a mob, but it doesn't tell us which one. The Vanguard THF might even be a mob being fought by somebody else. There's no solid information here to explain the stagger.

If you stagger around their 2 hour, it cancels it, be it PD, invince, whatever.

I'm also pretty thoroughly convinced that more stuff is able to proc if you time it right when they 2hr, and possibly when they ws or cast.

**AzazaelFenrir** · 2011-05-13 08:10

Originally Posted by Revann

Decided to enter Sandy late this evening with myself on NIN/DNC and a BRD/WHM buddy to dick around for a little bit. We got some time statues and was working on trying to proc mobs with the theory we came up with. After 40 minutes, we did not get 1 single proc using JA's on Mnks/Thfs/Rngs etc, WS's on Plds/Wars/Drks, or magic on mage mobs. We then had a MNK buddy come out and join us, and sure enough the first 4 mobs we fought after he entered we successfully proc'd, which leads me to believe that there exists a minimum requirement for proc'ing mobs, in this case would be having at least 3 people in our party. It just didn't seem coincidental that we couldn't proc for 40+ minutes with 2 people, then suddenly proc'd 4 in a row when we had 3 people, following our theory of procs. After that, we proceeded to get many more procs in a short period of time, including a couple nms. What still gets me is the blue vs. red vs. yellow procs. After we started to proc, we got 10 yellow procs in a row, then suddenly towards the end we got 9 red procs in a row, all consecutive and not mixing any other color. We did not see any blue procs. I'll post the proc'ing stats here followed by some screenshots for verification. The procs are listed in chronological order.

This is wrong. There is a video over on the AH forums of a nin/dnc solo procing almost every mob he pulls for the entire length of the video (10 min).

**NynJa** · 2011-05-13 08:16

Wheres the video? I cant find it

**AzazaelFenrir** · 2011-05-13 08:23

Originally Posted by NynJa

Wheres the video? I cant find it

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/21...ops/8/#1307291

**NynJa** · 2011-05-13 08:33

That's pretty cool...why did it seem to take 3 attempts on the 3rd mnk? 2nd thf took like 5 JA's? And why did they stick to thf/mnk, they could use magic and WS's on the other job types?

nvm reading on I found out why they stuck to thf+mnk.

**hollabackcerb** · 2011-05-13 08:48

Last Night i went to give this a go with my mules in X and besides the already posted staggers, I go some ones that I didn't expect. I triggered red with Fire, Stone III, Silence, Blizzard so the teir of the spell might not matter (I have a pretty gimped RDM mule that I haven't bought all spells for lol)

**Seid** · 2011-05-13 08:51

Originally Posted by Revann

Decided to enter Sandy late this evening with myself on NIN/DNC and a BRD/WHM buddy to dick around for a little bit. We got some time statues and was working on trying to proc mobs with the theory we came up with. After 40 minutes, we did not get 1 single proc using JA's on Mnks/Thfs/Rngs etc, WS's on Plds/Wars/Drks, or magic on mage mobs. We then had a MNK buddy come out and join us, and sure enough the first 4 mobs we fought after he entered we successfully proc'd, which leads me to believe that there exists a minimum requirement for proc'ing mobs, in this case would be having at least 3 people in our party. It just didn't seem coincidental that we couldn't proc for 40+ minutes with 2 people, then suddenly proc'd 4 in a row when we had 3 people, following our theory of procs. After that, we proceeded to get many more procs in a short period of time, including a couple nms. What still gets me is the blue vs. red vs. yellow procs. After we started to proc, we got 10 yellow procs in a row, then suddenly towards the end we got 9 red procs in a row, all consecutive and not mixing any other color. We did not see any blue procs. I'll post the proc'ing stats here followed by some screenshots for verification. The procs are listed in chronological order.

I was kinda wondering this same thing as my friend and I have been in Xarc duo each night this week and have yet to process a single stagger. We have tried multiple JAs, WSs and jobs and nothing. So on the surface, there maybe something to the 3 people plus being in party thing.

**EDIT** I guess nvm on this, maybe it has just been bad luck, but over 3 runs, not a single stagger yet. So idk...

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