Neo-Dynamis Changes

[Leey]

[17:54:15]Leeey uses Tachi: Rana.

[17:54:15]The Kindred Dark Knight takes 1043 points of damage.

[17:54:18]The Kindred Dark Knight hits Leeey for 164 points of damage.

[17:54:18]Equipment changed.

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[17:54:18]Leeey hits the Kindred Dark Knight for 153 points of damage.

[17:54:18]Additional effect: 164 HP drained from Leeey.

[17:54:18]Missinglink uses Sneak Attack.

[17:54:18]Missinglink readies Dancing Edge.

[17:54:19]Leeey readies Tachi: Kasha.

[17:54:19]Leeey's attack staggers the fiend!

[17:54:20]Equipment changed.

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[17:54:22]Purdy starts casting Aspir II on the Kindred Dark Knight.

[17:54:22]Leeey uses Tachi: Kasha.

[17:54:22]The Kindred Dark Knight takes 875 points of damage.




certain weapon skills only unless it does change during fight or something :/

[Daiiawn]

Ok thats good to know, knew it was specific JAs but thats the first time ive seen someone proc on their 2nd WS, bit of a bummer and hoping its only ws for the weapon you have equipped! Bad enough for sam, i have like 15 ws', no way they are all going off on nq nms lol

[Anso]

Did a windurst run the other night, we were there to get the win for some of our newer members. When we initially entered we were unable to proc anything. We farmed up a boss pop and killed that and went ahead and started farming. About halfway through the run we started being able to proc a few mobs here and there (following the job type theory) and by the end of the run we were able to proc everything pretty much. Was wondering if anyone else had had a similar experience to this and if maybe the likely-hood of procing mobs increases with the amount of kills you obtain, sort of like building lights in abyssea.

[Atoreis]

How you know it wasn't Dancing Edge? I mean could be the same error like azure kill with paralyze when melee attack happen in the same time.

[Arthars]

paper NM trigger drop rate is BS>..

100 min farm we only got 1 PLD and 4 DRK NM trigger......

all with TH6-7

i only needed 3 drk tho,,,i feel sorry for my friend >_<

[Leey]

How you know it wasn't Dancing Edge? I mean could be the same error like azure kill with paralyze when melee attack happen in the same time.

[17:54:19]Leeey's attack staggers the fiend!


thats how

[Atoreis]

[17:54:19]Leeey's attack staggers the fiend!


thats how

I don't think you read my post at all.

[Corresapolonia]

used violent flourish and pretty much every ability i had on melee mobs. nothing proced.
tried paraylse and slow etc on mage mobs. still nothing.

Dynamis Bastok.

[Leey]

I don't think you read my post at all.

hmm i see what you mean now but i really doubt it, its not the first time ive had a GK WS proc after trying a few out

[Byrthnoth]

[17:54:18]Missinglink readies Dancing Edge.
[17:54:19]Leeey readies Tachi: Kasha.
[17:54:19]Leeey's attack staggers the fiend!

That's what he means. How do you know it wasn't Dancing Edge? Lag happens

[Kaiyoko]

That's what he means. How do you know it wasn't Dancing Edge? Lag happens

[17:54:18]Missinglink readies Dancing Edge.
[17:54:19]Leeey readies Tachi: Kasha.
[17:54:19]Leeey's attack staggers the fiend!

I don't know how much more obvious I can make it

[sanity69]

Monster have weakness depending on parties current JA's WS's and Spells, each being random for each person to proc. Monster will never have a weakness a person solo'ing cannot proc. Prove it wrong.

[Leey]

I don't know how much more obvious I can make it

can we be friends?

[EvilAion]

Misread what you posted.
Nvm

[Daiiawn]

Monster have weakness depending on parties current JA's WS's and Spells, each being random for each person to proc. Monster will never have a weakness a person solo'ing cannot proc. Prove it wrong.

While i also think that may be the case, it now seems its possible that the triggers can change mid fight, or its just a % chance of staggering.

On our Basty run tonight, our brd slept a group of 3 mobs with horde, the first sleep (shown in first screen shot at 47:06), did not stagger. Then when that group of mobs woke (second screen at 47:40) they were reslept with horde, only this time horde staggered the brd (47:52)

Spoiler: show

http://www.chroma-linkshell.co.uk/daiiawn/Image.jpg
*Incase anyone is wondering, moo's sleepga stagger was on the SMN nm
http://www.chroma-linkshell.co.uk/daiiawn/Image2.jpg
**If anyone wonders why the Boss PI! in /p, when boss is lol, its because we needed one more for aegis trial!

Didnt record our staggers tonight as im convinced now that the job type decides the trigger type having seen close to 100 staggers in our runs matching theory and many SS's/logs on here without any solid evidence proving otherwise, in my mind just need to figure what makes the difference between red/grellow/blue and is there a way to narrow down exact ja/person or is it just %

[matthew2371]

Just made an account to post this. Me and 2 friends just did a dyna bastok and this is what we found. Following the theory already posted, we started out killing mobs that needed to be staggered with /ja. Our group was mnk/nin, nin/war, brd/whm whm/rdm. When we started, for about 15min we did nothing but try our only 2 /ja's we had. Voke and chi blast voke and chi blast and nothing worked. We entered on firesday, but this is the third time we have done it on diff days and still none of our /ja's were working. Finally we decided to follow a theory that i saw on ah.com, maybe it was here. We went and capped time.
Now i know its not conclusive testing for 15min not getting procs, but after capping time, our /jas started working. voke and chi blast were procing every mob. That being said, it WAS the second, third and fourth voke sometimes. So it was always something we had, but sometimes second or third.
For mobs that needed to be triggered with ws. We had a harder time with this one as the nin and i both have a ton of ws. His main procs were of course thigns already posted, jin, kamu, yu and so on.
THIS PART IS WORTH READING: Mage type mobs, we proc'd every single mage type mob for over an hour following this patern. The elemental day of the week would cycle through what we needed to cast. For example, if we proc'd a mob using a fire spell, the next was 100% an earth spell we had. Once we proc'd a mob with earth spell, the next would ALways be water. From water to wind, wind to ice and so on. Multiple times we had to recast ninjitsu. One occasion it being the FOURTH Huton Ni. The bards threnodys were similar to abyssea, always the opposite of the day/element we needed. We will test for another 2 hours tomorrow. That being said, we proc'd every single mage mob following the day of the week. It did not change mid fight, it did not change if we casted any other element on it. Our whm proc'd with sleep 1 after casting it twice.
Now i dont know exactly what starts the day of the week wheel for the first proc as we didnt keep track. Our bard was the one who noticed this patern and we followed it for the rest of the run and came out with 50 bynnes. The majority from mage mobs. So ya, if you proc with a fire spell on a mage, the next mage mob will be a earth spell that someone in your party has. More testing tomorrow, if this has already been posted then great, if not, enjoy

[matthew2371]

Also, Ironhide on Bamahut was the one who noticed the patern, me being Dionikes and my friend Tajot were the other 2 in the zone. Iron deserves credit, but not as much as the people who found that its spells on mage type mobs, w/o that info, we never would have found this

[Daiiawn]

Obviously just eyeballing from our part, but we noticed no proc's at the start and suddenly started to get once capped time, i only remember because someone jokingly said amg capped time = procs!

[matthew2371]

I've only done 3 runs so far, but the first 2 yielded nothing for procs with no TE, third run we capped time and found the day of the week theory and went nuts

[AzazaelFenrir]

Unless it changes per mob and not per proc, your day of the week theory is just a coincidence. Looking through my logs from yesterday I have magic procs in this order.

Fire
Earth
Thunder

I will try it again next run, but unless it is an every magic mob thing and I missed procs on 3 magic mobs I am going with coincidence.