Neo-Dynamis Changes

[TheDirtyHobo]

Monster have weakness depending on parties current JA's WS's and Spells, each being random for each person to proc. Monster will never have a weakness a person solo'ing cannot proc. Prove it wrong.

It's a technicality, sure, but some solo jobs won't have a spell/JA to proc with. BLU/NIN has no JAs, WAR/DNC has no spells, etc.

[Daiiawn]

My mistake, apparantly we got our first trigger just before the final TE mob, going to look over my list of staggers from 2 days ago and see if day of the week thing was present there. Did you notice, if you proc'd a mage with water, then next mage didnt proc, would the mage after that still be wind?

[matthew2371]

Yes it would be. We didnt miss any procs on mage mobs for i would say at least 25 mobs straight. So its hard to notice. I dont think it has anything to do with procing each mob, just once you proc with water, then next is wind. Miss 5 mobs with wind, once you get wind proc, then it moves to ice. From what we did at least.
It definately cycles through from proc to proc to proc. Proc with water, next proc is wind, proc with wind, ice.

That being said, be patient to do testing, because at times it was the 2nd 3rd and rarely 4th times, but it did happen. Meaning, we'd proc a mage mob with water, then the next mob we'd try wind 3-4 times on all our spells, Huton Ni proc'd the fourth time we tried on one mage mob

Also we did not keep track if it was me or the ninja doing the first spell, so first spell/action on a mob maybe needs to be tested more. However, i do know the ninja was pulling about 95% of the mobs, and i was still procing with ninjitsu being mnk/war on mobs he had the first action on. As well as the brd and whm procing on mobs he pulled, so not sure if first action has much to do with WHO procs.

[matthew2371]

Oops, mnk/nin im sorry

[knifebait]

Sorry was on my iphone and autocorrect raped that sentence.

We've had Fudo and Eviseration proc on a thf mob before if my memory serves me correctly.

Yes a screenshot or something to debunk my theory would be appreciated. I have been doing dynamis religiously for the past few days and not once have i proced WS on a THF mob. Its always been JA's. Also Not 1 post in here has shown a WS procing on THF type mobs

[Cymmina]

Obviously just eyeballing from our part, but we noticed no proc's at the start and suddenly started to get once capped time, i only remember because someone jokingly said amg capped time = procs!

I cleared all of the 10 min time extensions in Xarc while the rest of my group was off killing random whatever, so I'm not sure if there were any procs while I was gone. Since I wasn't able to snipe the 20 min (eye) solo, we didn't get around to killing it until we had received our 10 min warning. We were definitely getting staggers after I returned to the group, but before killing the last time extension.

[Vathris]

What happens if you pull 3 mage mobs at the same time? what would the order of staggers be? Like what would happen if you sleepga (Dream flower) them?

[matthew2371]

We have agro'd/pulled multiple mage mobs, and it didnt change anything, you could attack all 3, cast 5 spells on each, but ONE of those mobs is going to be proc'd with whatever element is next. So before the pull if you proc'd with ice, ONE of those 3 mobs, doesnt matter which, should be proc'd with thunder. As soon as thunder is proc'd, the second mob should be light, then dark.

[knifebait]

I have casted dia on the same mob 5-6 times in a row and usually by then the spell would proc, i dont think there is an order i have noticed but i was just spamming sleeps on pulls and dias, bios non stop for short recast and casting time to try and proc !!

[matthew2371]

Most likely if you have bio 1 you have bio 2, its going to be ONE of the spells you have, as shown before someone soloing SHOULD have access to proc each time. If you have dia 2, you probably have banish 1 or 2, maybe 3, also sleep, sleep 2, sleepga have all been procs, you can do dia 100x and it if not dia, it wont proc.

I only say that because me and the ninja tried to spam ninjitsu wheel over and over and then the bard would proc with a threnody or whm with a spell only casting once

[Jakiss]

im trying to piece together some more info. are the people who are entering and not being able to proc are you going around and killing the time stones frist? or are you just killing stuff as you go

i got a theory that once you kill a certian time stone or all of them you are then able to start procing

[NynJa]

I'm pretty sure that Upbeat guy posted a video where he just entered and was proccing thf+mnk hydras left and right, dont think he killed any TE's.

[Kalasin]

Crimson Granules of Time = unlocking red proc?
Amber Granules of Time = unlocking yellow proc?
Azure Granules of Time = unlocking blue proc?
Alabaster Granules of Time/Obsidian Granules of Time = ???

Would be an idea if that is true.

[TheDirtyHobo]

I cleared all of the 10 min time extensions in Xarc while the rest of my group was off killing random whatever, so I'm not sure if there were any procs while I was gone. Since I wasn't able to snipe the 20 min (eye) solo, we didn't get around to killing it until we had received our 10 min warning. We were definitely getting staggers after I returned to the group, but before killing the last time extension.

Went through the logs to corroborate this.

First 10min TE: [17:37:55]Obtained key item: Amber granules of time
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4th 10min TE: [17:55:51]Obtained key item: Alabaster granules of time
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First stagger: [18:01:45]Thedirtyhobo's attack staggers the fiend!
20min TE: [19:05:45]Obtained key item: Obsidian granules of time
.

And just worth noting, all of our staggers occured after the 4th 10min TE was killed (first stagger was 6 minutes after, but we had been in the zone for 33 minutes). We had 5 staggers in the 23 minutes we had left after getting the final TE (once every 4.6 min), and 21 staggers in the 70 minutes between the 4th and 5th (once every 3.33 min). Did a jeuno run last night with just THF+DNC and didn't have a single stagger in 60 minutes, but we didn't get any TEs. I would think it's pretty safe to assume at this point that TEs have some connection with staggers.

[Yeyoking]

Went through the logs to corroborate this.

First 10min TE: [17:37:55]Obtained key item: Amber granules of time.
4th 10min TE: [17:55:51]Obtained key item: Alabaster granules of time.
First stagger: [18:01:45]Thedirtyhobo's attack staggers the fiend!
20min TE: [19:05:45]Obtained key item: Obsidian granules of time.

And just worth noting, all of our staggers occured after the 4th 10min TE was killed (first stagger was 6 minutes after, but we had been in the zone for 33 minutes). We had 5 staggers in the 23 minutes we had left after getting the final TE (once every 4.6 min), and 21 staggers in the 70 minutes between the 4th and 5th (once every 3.33 min). Did a jeuno run last night with just THF+DNC and didn't have a single stagger in 60 minutes, but we didn't get any TEs. I would think it's pretty safe to assume at this point that TEs have some connection with staggers.

Interesting, want pre-nerf drop rate for currency? Stay in dynamis longer!

[Yeager]

I did a solo Dynamis-San d'Oria run a few days ago on DNC/NIN and I did not snipe any TE statues. I got no procs at all, but did walk away with a couple of AF drops.

A few days later, I did a solo Dynamis-Xarcabard also DNC/NIN. I killed the 4 10-Minute extension statues first, then proceeded to start killing mobs. I did a Yellow proc right away on a Kindred Samurai using Aeolian Edge and got a 1 Byne Bill to drop. I had several more procs after that. I don't have logs, but I can pretty much list them here and what it was that triggered the procs.

Kindred Samurai - Yellow !! - Aeolian Edge
Kindred Dark Knight - Yellow !! - Evisceration
Kindred Thief - Red !! - Feather Step
Kindred Thief - Yellow !! - Animated Flourish
Kindred Warrior - Yellow !! - Pyrrhic Kleos
Kindred Beastmaster - Red !! - Feather Step
Kindred Samurai - Yellow !! - Evisceration

Another observation I made was that all of the Yellow !! procs I got dropped 1 Byne Bills, and the two Red !! procs I got dropped Ordelle Bronzepieces.

[aduidarnenye]

We just got out of Xarcabard. We got all the TEs and only ever saw red staggers. Got a lot of AF (mostly the useless stuff) and about 75 coins total. No 100s.

We killed the old stairs NMs often. They popped in the satellite weapons after a while. Seere popped in front of the old RDM/BRD/WAR stairs. Berith and Sabnak in front of the old BST/MNK/WHM stairs. And Gomory in front of the mega eyeball stairs. Andras in front of the old BLM/NIN/DRK stairs. Staggered all the NMs but no 100s and not consistent dropping AF and absolutely zero 100s off them. Got a bunch of Shrouded Bijous off NMs though.

Got a few relic weapon pops for the fragment weapons.

[Sorantia]

And just worth noting, all of our staggers occured after the 4th 10min TE was killed (first stagger was 6 minutes after, but we had been in the zone for 33 minutes). We had 5 staggers in the 23 minutes we had left after getting the final TE (once every 4.6 min), and 21 staggers in the 70 minutes between the 4th and 5th (once every 3.33 min). Did a jeuno run last night with just THF+DNC and didn't have a single stagger in 60 minutes, but we didn't get any TEs. I would think it's pretty safe to assume at this point that TEs have some connection with staggers.

This is exactly the same thing that happened to us. When we got in, we couldn't stagger anything as we move from camp to camp and getting TEs, but after the 4th TE was killed (Icon Prototype), the very next mob, we were able to stagger without problem.

Our first one was yellow, then the rest was red.

[Leey]

This is exactly the same thing that happened to us. When we got in, we couldn't stagger anything as we move from camp to camp and getting TEs, but after the 4th TE was killed (Icon Prototype), the very next mob, we were able to stagger without problem.

Our first one was yellow, then the rest was red.

^

happened to us yesterday, no procs for a good half hour then we capped time and proced bassically every mob after doing the same thing we always do, was very weird.

[Fievel]

Fought for about 30min without getting a single proc, decided to go get all the TE's, sense then I've proc'd !! on every single mob, all red.