Neo-Dynamis Changes

[Renzy]

Is there anymore information on Arch DL? Gonna be fighting it tomorrow so I was wondering if there's anything I need to look out for

[Daiiawn]

Ok, had a bit of free time tonight so decided to do some testing in xarc. Nothing is conclusive, however we have managed to disprove the elemental wheel for magic procs theory.

Setup was Nin/War and Blm/Whm

We entered and right away got a TE,
crimson granules of time @ i-10.

We then went and pulled a thf type mob, slept it and did 10 vokes on it, and one enmity douse with no proc

Next we got second TE
azure granules of time @ g-10

We then went back to the same thf mob, slept it and did 10 vokes on it, and one ed without proc.

Next we got out third TE
Amber granules of time @ h-8

Back to the thf mobs, this time we were able to get a proc (HOWEVER it was on 11th voke, so the earlier no procs dont mean much), we also pulled a Rng mob right next to it and again proc'd. Both procs were blue and both done with provoke.

After this we went and got our 4th TE,
alabaster granules of time @ f-8

Back to the thf and rng mobs, once again we were able to stagger them, however this time both were yellow staggers. These were triggered with enmity douse on the thf (which took 10 vokes > 1 ed to proc) and voke on the rng (2nd voke proc'd).

Finally we got the last TE obsidian granules of time @ 1-6
From this point on, every stagger we got was Red. Our proc rate also shot up. After getting the 5th TE we had provoke stagger 7 times in 15 attempts and enmity douse stagger once in 2 attempts.

Towards the end, we also pulled a couple of casters to try and disprove the elemental wheel theory, which we were able to do.

Spoiler: show

http://www.chroma-linkshell.co.uk/daiiawn/1.jpg
@42:58, Whm staggered using Doton Ni (earth)

http://www.chroma-linkshell.co.uk/daiiawn/2.jpg
@44:50, Rdm staggered using Dia (light), going by the previous theory it would have needed to be wind based

One extra thing we noticed, while yellow weakness was terror, it did not prevent the mob from using its 2hr later in the fight, red always did.

For anyone doing some testing it may be worth trying to answer the following questions
1: Are you able to proc anything on any type of mob before getting any TEs?
2: If not, does getting azure TE allow you to proc only on magic mobs? If so does Crimson let you proc on JA or WS mobs?
3: What are your first procs? Are you getting Blue with only crimson/azure/amber TEs?
4: Does getting the alabaster or your 4th TE change your procs to grellow?
5: Does getting obsidian or your 5th TE change your procs to red?
6: Do you notice things procing a lot faster at 5/5? Or maybe at 4/5 where obsidian was your 4th TE?

Its late! Hope that made sense!

[Kalasin]

Not sure if it was mentioned, but the WS procs follow the same elemental pattern. For example, if the current mob is a WAR type and the magic element would be wind, you can stagger it with any wind WS you can currently use in your party/alliance.

[Tachi]

Arch Dynamis Lord is still a matter of "kill it before it kill you" it doesn't summons his Dragons but a clone of himself after 1~ min, probably more as the fight length gets longer. His clone does NOT depop after the first TP move but stays all the fight which makes Chainspell Stun nearly useless.
He is squishy like his counterpart. Perfect Defense seems the way to go.

[TheDirtyHobo]

5: Does getting obsidian or your 5th TE change your procs to red?

First 10min TE: [17:37:55]Obtained key item: Amber granules of time.
4th 10min TE: [17:55:51]Obtained key item: Alabaster granules of time.
First stagger: [18:01:45]Thedirtyhobo's attack staggers the fiend!
20min TE: [19:05:45]Obtained key item: Obsidian granules of time.

Bumping this data and adding the following (from the same run):

[19:08:35]Thedirtyhobo's attack staggers the fiend!
[19:08:39](Thedirtyhobo) wut
[19:08:44](Fistforhire) red!

It stood out because, iirc, all of our JA procs up to this point were blue.

[Fievel]

Odd, every single JA proc ive gotten has been red, never seen blue.

[Siatdiat]

I don't know if anything has changed but noticed people duoing xarc were getting like 4-5 AF and 3 currency. Don't know what the deal is but just did a duo as NIN/DNC and RDM/WHM and got procs about 90-95% of the time and got 21 currency and 3 AF. I'm thinking that the theory of only being able to proc with what you have is the case, and assuming when I couldn't proc ws it was the RDM needing to do so that time, which wasn't worth waiting on. For the record I did run in and get all Te in first 10-15 minutes. We both dced once, and had to rest up once after wipe. Overall fast kills and constant procs though.

[Yeager]

@ Siatdiat

I can verify what you said....

Just did a duo NIN/WAR and RDM/WHM. We got all 5 TE's and started going to work. After a few mobs where we didn't get any procs on DRK mobs, I decided to throw on my sword and put in some of my own WS's. Sure enough....

Siviard readies Spirits Within
Siviard's attack staggers the fiend!

Also believe it or not, even Fast Blade worked. It definitely depends on the jobs of your party members and the weapons they have equipped.

So definitely it depends on what weapons you have equipped.

[Siatdiat]

@ Siatdiat

I can verify what you said....

Just did a duo NIN/WAR and RDM/WHM. We got all 5 TE's and started going to work. After a few mobs where we didn't get any procs on DRK mobs, I decided to throw on my sword and put in some of my own WS's. Sure enough....

Siviard readies Spirits Within
Siviard's attack staggers the fiend!

Also believe it or not, even Fast Blade worked. It definitely depends on the jobs of your party members and the weapons they have equipped.

So definitely it depends on what weapons you have equipped.

The reason I /dnc was for ja, and pretty sure I procced all ja mobs except 1. I think that is a great combo, we just tried to proc on magic and ja mobs, and if we got a ws mob just zerged it down because ws seems too random of 10+ ws each person.

[Syntex]

So 10 Duelists hats today. Member slit his wrists seeing that many drop as it took him 6 years on RDM to get what we did in on the first kill.

Fun times.

[Sho]

So 10 Duelists hats today. Member slit his wrists seeing that many drop as it took him 6 years on RDM to get what we did in on the first kill.

Fun times.

I hate you. I still haven't seen a second RDM hat since day one of this update, lol.

I don't know if anything has changed but noticed people duoing xarc were getting like 4-5 AF and 3 currency. Don't know what the deal is but just did a duo as NIN/DNC and RDM/WHM and got procs about 90-95% of the time and got 21 currency and 3 AF. I'm thinking that the theory of only being able to proc with what you have is the case, and assuming when I couldn't proc ws it was the RDM needing to do so that time, which wasn't worth waiting on. For the record I did run in and get all Te in first 10-15 minutes. We both dced once, and had to rest up once after wipe. Overall fast kills and constant procs though.

Some dude on FFXIAH put up a video of himself soloing Dynamis - Beauc after getting all 5 TE, and getting 90%+ proc rate on everything:

Spoiler: show

So it seems, we can conclude how SE wanted to ease relic acquisition now, lol. Get all 5 TE, fight soloable mobs of your choice for days on end when you can.

[Yeyoking]

I hate you. I still haven't seen a second RDM hat since day one of this update, lol.



Some dude on FFXIAH put up a video of himself soloing Dynamis - Beauc after getting all 5 TE, and getting 90%+ proc rate on everything:

So it seems, we can conclude how SE wanted to ease relic acquisition now, lol. Get all 5 TE, fight soloable mobs of your choice for days on end when you can.

Or go in with 6 of you friends and just merit PT the mobs for currencies. Now they just need to fix Alexandrites drop rate.

[Lyramion]

I hate you. I still haven't seen a second RDM hat since day one of this update, lol.

Go after the Job NMs? We went with a casual PT of 5 and camped in between the PLD RDM and WHM NM. The PLD popped 3 times and the RDM and WHM 2 times while we were there. Didn´t even stay full duration since we didn´t need any more hats.

[Sho]

Or go in with 6 of you friends and just merit PT the mobs for currencies. Now they just need to fix Alexandrites drop rate.

I was a bit open ended about that statement! Only to fight soloable mobs at your leisure with X number of people/solo.

If they could make Alexandrite drop more, it would be all the more awesome

...annnd good idea Lyra.

[Syntex]

I hate you. I still haven't seen a second RDM hat since day one of this update, lol.



Some dude on FFXIAH put up a video of himself soloing Dynamis - Beauc after getting all 5 TE, and getting 90%+ proc rate on everything:

Spoiler: show

So it seems, we can conclude how SE wanted to ease relic acquisition now, lol. Get all 5 TE, fight soloable mobs of your choice for days on end when you can.

Why? Its so easy. Go with a group of 6+ get a quick kill on all the TE mobs and then kill red mages for 2 hours along with the NM's there. That is all we did.

[Arthars]

we usually get all TEs before we farm attestation triggers

still normal stagger rate tho, like 1 in 5 mobs

as for relic case, yea i believe we can do it easier now. you can farm hydra for money, they drop alotttttt more even w/o stagger ^^ prolly can get 100 in 100 mins (-20 mins for getting TEs) pure farming hydras

[Syntex]

we usually get all TEs before we farm attestation triggers

still normal stagger rate tho, like 1 in 5 mobs

as for relic case, yea i believe we can do it easier now. you can farm hydra for money, they drop alotttttt more even w/o stagger ^^ prolly can get 100 in 100 mins (-20 mins for getting TEs) pure farming hydras

Well I am pretty sure this isn't the norm but I think someone posted a double silver piece drop from a NM they staggered so in all reality focusing on NM's is the better way to go.

Someone mentioned that the procs to stagger are based on your alliances abilities, if so I want to know if its limited to current ones available or all potential ones. Example it wont be san spells if your ninja didn't merit them but can it if you did? Can it be blue procs not currently equip? ect.

Last time my group hit up hydras they gave them a hell of a time.

[Anariodin]

Xarc Run 1 - 4 TE - Grellow
Xarc Run 2 - 5 TE - Red

Dancer proc'd often w JA, with pld/war in second w voke (nothing like a mob coming in, voke staggers and then it links while staggered instead of coming closer)
i proc'd (WHM/BLM) on Marquis (BRD) with Banish III (my hunnies idea actually), fire proc'd, but no enfeebling magic proc'd
Didnt think about enmity douse. DRG proc'd a few times (both w WS and his JA)
our BLM was trying the ele wheel thing, but seeing as our casters were all BLM/WHM/RDM and no NIN or BRD.
(on second thought, i should bring my alt in there as BRD to proc)
Method for TE in Xarc (works great)
Nothern TE (20 min and 10 min) - take a DD (any) and a BLM (or RDM) and cast 2 T4 spells and they are dead
Southern TE (10 min x2 along left wall) - take another DD and BLM (RDM) and do the same thing
Far TE (10 min gobbie proto) - take another DD and caster.
do these at the same time and then regroup at a camp area. this will save a lot of time. takes about 20 mins for 1 DD and caster to get all 5 TE.

[Anariodin]

Dynamis changed. I used to fall asleep during normal Dyna runs. Now I am wide awake. Mind you I am the only one out of the 9 of us who knows a great deal about the postings here. So not only am I the WHM, but I direct proc's and TE farming. ^^. i like it a lot tho.

[Arthars]

dont fight hydra that are at/above the former brd/whm/blm NM tower, they are VT

do those below they are EP, but hmmm if stagger makes 100 drop like cakes, and if those pop NMs are walkovers for 2 man dual box, then relic here i comeeeeee