Neo-Dynamis Changes

[Arthars]

for those who dont read ALL of the forum

0 TE - No Proc
1 TE - No Proc
2 TE - No Proc
3 TE - Blue Proc - Difficult to proc - Nothing
4 TE - Grellow Proc - Medium to proc - Terror/Stops 2HR/able to reuse
5 TE - Red Proc - Easy to proc - Terror/Stops 2HR/unable to use

ah nice to know this :D thanks for summarizing

[Karbuncle]

Thats going to make farming 100's on NMs so much easier.

[Atoreis]

for those who dont read ALL of the forum

0 TE - No Proc
1 TE - No Proc
2 TE - No Proc
3 TE - Blue Proc - Difficult to proc - Nothing
4 TE - Grellow Proc - Medium to proc - Terror/Stops 2HR/able to reuse
5 TE - Red Proc - Easy to proc - Terror/Stops 2HR/unable to use

We got grellow after 5 TE yesterday. It was only once and after like 10 red. Made with some DNC step. I think it's like abyssea lights even withh capped azure there is still a small chance in getting 250 cruor chest for example. Maybe even with 5 TE there is a small chance in getting stagger from lower tier.

Oh and I got stagger on initial action (pulled with voke and staggered)

[Anariodin]

In regards to maps, I had made a few maps last night for my group to use with their APradar/Mappy. Not saying they're the best but here's what I got if you're interested.

Could you email me the maps you have? [email protected].
i have a listing on a site i made with all the new Dyna info i could find on all forums and personal experience.

[Anariodin]

We got grellow after 5 TE yesterday. It was only once and after like 10 red. Made with some DNC step. I think it's like abyssea lights even withh capped azure there is still a small chance in getting 250 cruor chest for example. Maybe even with 5 TE there is a small chance in getting stagger from lower tier.

Oh and I got stagger on initial action (pulled with voke and staggered)

Is it possible that it was someone who came in late who proc'd? I have seen about 5 procs w 4 TE - Grellow and 103 procs w 5 TE - Red. no blue or green or white or rainbow. 5 TE = Red. IF someone comes in late, their procs are based on THEIR TE. just as they wont exit with the group... (how i almost died, i entered about 30 seconds later than everyone else, and when they got booted, the 3 mobs they were killing went something like this "stars"...)

[Atoreis]

Is it possible that it was someone who came in late who proc'd? I have seen about 5 procs w 4 TE - Grellow and 103 procs w 5 TE - Red. no blue or green or white or rainbow. 5 TE = Red. IF someone comes in late, their procs are based on THEIR TE. just as they wont exit with the group... (how i almost died, i entered about 30 seconds later than everyone else, and when they got booted, the 3 mobs they were killing went something like this "stars"...)

He got 5 TE unless he ninja DCed during some TE and I didn't notice that (I will ask him later). 99% he had all 5 TE tho because he was with us till the end and he would be booted earlier otherwise. 103 red wouldnt also necessarily exclude my theory with very low chance for stagger from lower tier. When 250 cruor chest happens in abyssea with capped lights it's usually one per few hundreds capped ones.

[Renzy]

For anyone that doesn't know, when you pop Arch Dynamis Lord it gives you a 'Level Restriction' and causes pets to be released.
Found this out the hard way when we popped it right as our SMN was in the process of giving us PD, right as Alex was readying Perfect Defense in fact, resulting in us not getting it. (I tried to time it so that PD hit us right as we engaged)
Still got it down to 30% without PD though, with only 4 DD, so it's an easy kill assuming nothing retarded like that happens.

[Xera]

Could you email me the maps you have? [email protected].
i have a listing on a site i made with all the new Dyna info i could find on all forums and personal experience.

http://7th.guildwork.com/blog/2011/5...w-dynamis-maps

[Anariodin]

oh yea, forgot i probably need to be logged in to check that link.

[Atoreis]

For anyone that doesn't know, when you pop Arch Dynamis Lord it gives you a 'Level Restriction' and causes pets to be released.
Found this out the hard way when we popped it right as our SMN was in the process of giving us PD, right as Alex was readying Perfect Defense in fact, resulting in us not getting it. (I tried to time it so that PD hit us right as we engaged)
Still got it down to 30% without PD though, with only 4 DD, so it's an easy kill assuming nothing retarded like that happens.

4 DDs on soul voice march and minuet and with Empy/Relics and 2hrs? what DDs(jobs)? How long it took to get it down to 30%?

[Renzy]

2 Ukon (both 90), 1 Verethragna (90) and 1 Masamune (85), we only had a 75 BRD Mule giving us SV March, and i'm pretty sure we all used our 2hr.
Checked my logs and it took about 37 seconds to get it down to 35%, at which point it summoned 2 copies of itself and double Oblivion Smashed, pretty much ending it.
Something interesting I also noticed was when it was summoning the copies of itself, we were all hitting it for 0.

[Daiiawn]

He got 5 TE unless he ninja DCed during some TE and I didn't notice that (I will ask him later). 99% he had all 5 TE tho because he was with us till the end and he would be booted earlier otherwise. 103 red wouldnt also necessarily exclude my theory with very low chance for stagger from lower tier. When 250 cruor chest happens in abyssea with capped lights it's usually one per few hundreds capped ones.

If he didnt DC, was he definatly with you right from the very start? Someone entering 10m after the rest because they had rl aggro could cause this (and they would still exit the same time as the rest). Really the color thing needs more testing, since i discovered the link between TE's and the actual colors 2 days ago, i have only done a couple of runs and there is a limit to how many mobs we can kill in that time, so our sample size isnt huge.

It could also be as you said a small chance of different stagger (Like how in abys if you have capped azure you will occasionalyl still get a red chest), but from everything ive personally seen, a proc by someone with all 5 KIs gives red.

[Daiiawn]

Oh also to reply to my own mini question set, based on last nights run

1: Are you able to proc anything on any type of mob before getting any TEs?
No, 30+ step attempts on a single mob at 0/5, 1/5, 2/5 yeilded no procs.

2: If not, does getting azure TE allow you to proc only on magic mobs? If so does Crimson let you proc on JA or WS mobs?
No, we got Amber > Alabaster > Obsidian and were able to proc on mage mobs as well as JA mobs

3: What are your first procs? Are you getting Blue with only crimson/azure/amber TEs?
We got Blue at 3/5 with amber/alabaster/obsidian KIs

4: Does getting the alabaster or your 4th TE change your procs to grellow?
Getting 4th TE changed to grellow, Alabaster did not make us get yellow (our 2nd TE)

5: Does getting obsidian or your 5th TE change your procs to red?
Getting 5/5 switched us to red, obsidian was our 3rd, so this didnt force the red


6: Do you notice things procing a lot faster at 5/5? Or maybe at 4/5 where obsidian was your 4th TE?
Our proc rate jumped up at 5/5 (not after obsidian), at 5/5 TE's one in 5 (20.7%) step attempts (using the same step on the same mob) proc'd. The day before the proc % was just short of 50% (7/15) with provoke being the only JA other than enmity douse available to proc with).

[AzazaelFenrir]

Yagudo Salvager is a RNG type mob and we had a weapon skill (Blade: Jin) blue stagger it after 4 TEs in Dynamis-Windurst. I have a list that has staggers for RNG on the JA side of things that I took off here a couple of days ago. Has this information been revised?

I don't suppose you have a picture or logs to back this up?

[Byrthnoth]

Can someone summarize which jobs go with which categories (JAs, WSs, Magic?)

Also, can we get a consensus on how the TE -> Proc relationship works? This seems in conflict with this.

[Daiiawn]

TE's seem to follow the
3/5 = can proc blue
4/5 = can proc yellow
5/5 = can proc red

The theory that certain TE's let you proc certain colors doesnt seem to fit, since i did xarc 2 nights in a row, killing TEs in a completly different order and still got the above. There have been some reports of the above not working, but it could be due to dc's/someone missing a TE, needs more testing.

As far as the job procs go
JA Procs on Rng Nin Bst Thf Mnk
WS Procs on Pld Drk Drg Sam War
Magic Procs on Whm Blm Smn Brd Rdm

[AzazaelFenrir]

TE's seem to follow the
3/5 = can proc blue
4/5 = can proc yellow
5/5 = can proc red

To expand on this 3/5 can proc, but at a very low %. 4/5 raises the % chance, and 5/5 raises it even more.

[Byrthnoth]

Does this seem right? Anyone want to add more?
https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Category:Dynamis

[Ocara]

Does this seem right? Anyone want to add more?
https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/Category:Dynamis

It says "re-use" 2hr but I thought A. it had no such affect on NMs and B. Normal mobs can only use their 2hr once anyway, so it either cancels OR stops them from using their 2hr

Minor semantics, but anyone back this up?

[shepardG]

That front page looks good B, Has anyone got a collection of the updated maps with TE's posted? I'd love to work on something similar to Dyna-Bums work for the original dyna content
basically a picture/guide/drop list all in one.