Neo-Dynamis Changes

[Churchill]

I imagine you could pull 25% or more per run if you actually had real players too, I know I'm pretty slow sometimes and don't have buffs etc up every time timers are up. If you were running RDM DNC THF/DNC NIN/DNC in Sandy you would pull 300-400 a run at one of the camps. The COP stuff is really nice though because you can do it so much easier :D

[Byrthnoth]

A real WHM/THF and I could pull 250-300 singles in CoP Dynamis easily every run and entirely consistently without 100s (however that works).

Inefficiencies:
* I still wipe about once a run out of, for lack of a better term, "lollerness." Pull too big. Too many things TP at once, display driver crashes, etc.
* I very likely don't TH everything because I'm fighting a billion things at once and alt tabbing back and forth.
* I don't really know when to stop WSing because I can't pay enough attention to remember what of my crowd is procced and what's not due to alt-tabbing.
* I'm intentionally using an inefficient camp (other zones are better) because I want DNC feet.

Honestly, this update has made Relics the easiest level 95 "special" weapon to obtain by a long shot. By the time the prices adjust to this change, relic weapons will be under 100mil each.

[Churchill]

An additional real player instead of a mule would also be able to find/solo TE's at the same time you do, giving you around ~25% increase in time available to farm. (It usually takes me 35m in Bubu to find them/pull/kill and set up camp)

[Byrthnoth]

Qufim TEs take me ~15 minutes all told. I cast Shellra V before I enter, and had 12 minutes duration left by the time I reached camp today. 3/4 of the Beastmen being sight agro really helps on the pulls.

[Cahlum]

We were doing aeolian edge spam on funguars when we got the 100 w/o SJ. I didn't see a white trigger tho but we did have like 10 + funguar on screen lol.

[Aemora]

Assuming this is proccing during WS time then?

Perhaps its proccing whilst the mobs proc'd?!?!?

[Rufox]

Atleast it has to be a pattern since both are procced during ws, both procced with aoe ws and both with aoelian edge.

[Ceal]

Did a run with me on THF without subjob and my mule with subjob. Dropped a whole lot of nothing. :/ Staggered most mobs. Saw a lot more -1/acc stuffs though.

[Apelila]

Can you still unlock subjobs the old way once your in the zones or do you have to unlock them @ the threshold?

[Kalasin]

Can you still unlock subjobs the old way once your in the zones or do you have to unlock them @ the threshold?

Have to unlock them at the threshold.

[Ophannus]

It wasn't a re-proc. Also I doubt it would be exclusive to WS only, but WS procing is the most efficient so you're more likely to see if when AoE WS spamming 10+ mobs at a time every 2 minutes rather than 1-2 mobs at a time solo.

[arus2001]

It's probably a specific ability has a chance for this 'white' trigger while anything of a given category during its window can still trigger, not unlike VW and the normal/high weaknesses. Unfortunately, since there a good number of WS, trying them all on one mob will probably be damn near impossible unless everyone's wielding D1 weapons or thereabouts. JAs then have the issue of timers while magic has even more possibilities and can't quite be nerfed down like melee and a crappy weapon.

[Apelila]

So just did the Buburimu boss w/o killing any of the baby dragons - the cage beast blood that drops off the NM's seems to lock its 2 hours. It still had the full array of 'fuck you so hard your grandchildren will bleed' tp moves.

Sch -1
2x Rdm belt off birds
Rdm hands

Was learning where everything is, now for round 2

birds droped drk cape x4, blu cape, rdm belt x2
drg,war,sch,rng -1hands

mandy rng blt

crabs nin-1
pld capex2, brd capex2

efts thf -1
pup cape

56 coins
150 bills
77 shells

something dropped dnc hands -1, forgot what

went in with both melee 2 hour locked, got all 5 TE, THF kept SJ locked NIN unlocked after TE's dead, no affect on drop rate of singles who proced. No White but we were only fighting EP mobs - it was reported that the White came off a VT/IT?

[Aemora]

If Im on DNC, there's a total of 8 JAs that I can use to proc the mob. 4 Steps, Flourishes I and Wild Flourish from Flourish II. I could cycle all 8 JAs in under a minute, where as there is no way in hell I could get 1100 TP in a minute to try all of the Weaponskills available to me. JAs work better for a DNC, unless I switch to THF RDM and just killshit on the THF and Aeolian Edge stuff, is that what you guys do?

When I do hit up the WS mobs, I rarely get it and takes even longer to kill, because JA proc means Evis>Rudra/Pyrrhic can kill ez (THF DNC combo)

[Byrthnoth]

I pull somewhere between 8 and 12 monsters at once and do an Aeolian Edge per target, spreading my TP damage out over all of them. The hardest part is THing all of them with my WHM/THF. Today I think I'm going to go in DNC/SAM or DNC/MNK. Between Parrying and Evasion, I take shit for damage. Regen IV gives my WHM mule the break between Cure Vs that I need to spam Dia on everything.

[Zirael]

I pull somewhere between 8 and 12 monsters at once and do an Aeolian Edge per target, spreading my TP damage out over all of them. The hardest part is THing all of them with my WHM/THF. Today I think I'm going to go in DNC/SAM or DNC/MNK. Between Parrying and Evasion, I take shit for damage. Regen IV gives my WHM mule the break between Cure Vs that I need to spam Dia on everything.

Maybe I'm misinformed, but wouldn't one diaga count as putting TH on all mobs? I always wanted to test if it works like this by THF/WHM diaga some goblins in Onzozo and checking if they all got gilfinder effect from it, but I keep forgetting to do it :-/ .

[Byrthnoth]

Maybe I'm misinformed, but wouldn't one diaga count as putting TH on all mobs? I always wanted to test if it works like this by THF/WHM diaga some goblins in Onzozo and checking if they all got gilfinder effect from it, but I keep forgetting to do it :-/ .

I haven't done a formal test (though I've been meaning to), but it feels like there's a pretty huge difference between casting Banishga II once and spamming Dia on all of them. I think you need to individually claim (and perhaps damage) each monster in order to TH it. I'm pretty sure this was the "AoE killing" nerf of yore.

[Ophannus]

It's probably a specific ability h

as a chance for this 'white' trigger while anything of a given category during its window can still trigger, not unlike VW and the normal/high weaknesses. Unfortunately, since there a good number of WS, trying them all on one mob will probably be damn near impossible unless everyone's wielding D1 weapons or thereabouts. JAs then have the issue of timers while magic has even more possibilities and can't quite be nerfed down like melee and a crappy weapon.

Doubt it. I have a huge hunch that the only criteria is that
1) You need to have subjobs locked
2) The person with the locked subjob must stagger the mob depending on time of day and mob type.
3) If the mob gets staggered there's a X% chance that it will be a normal stagger and a Y% chance of it being a White Stagger; whereby Y is drastically lower chance than X.

If it was possible to white stagger every mob it would rain 100 pieces and it wouldn't make sense. It makes more sense for it to be a super low chance of an HQ White Trigger from a low% chance when staggering normally with SJ off. And similarly the rate of White Stagger is probably around the same % as the drop rate on 100 pieces in OldDynamis. It White staggered from Aeolian edge in a group of like 10 Bunnies. I doubt it would be the same as VW simply because these mobs are EP and they have such low HP its not feasible to have all 20 jobs to spam JA/WS/Spells to get white triggers especially since dynamis has been instanced and made low-manable.

[ronin sparthos]

Anyone got a pic of the white stagger?

[Byrthnoth]

So, if you proc a monster it removes the ability of all other colors to proc. If being subjobless means you can proc white !!s at a low rate, does it mean that farming without a subjob and only 2/5 TEs would give you only white procs?