Neo-Dynamis Changes

[Shizznight]

Can anyone verify if it's possible to proc white !! without unlocking all of the TE?

Also, is anyone else having issues finding the 5th TE in bubu? I went in this morning and went through all 3 upper tier beastmen camps(marked on the map linked on bgwiki) and wasn't able to find it in two passes. Like an idiot I didn't bring many tools to get around so I didn't wanna wait on hide.

[Martel]

It's pld brd/thf whm all controlled by me, that's why I was intrigued by AE spam

I'd just Circle blade proc everything, then switch to chant spam. When the number of mobs per pull is decent(10~15) I get TP fast enough to self SC continuously with Ochain+shield mastery+2 schaller.

The only issue there is as you kill mobs, your TP gain drops with every kill. So yeah, Aoelian is better since you can kill them all at once without TP gain degrading. But if you want SJ locked, then no AE.

One option would be to toss a WS or two on each mob to get them low, then start killing them. Doing most of the DMG while TP gain is high with it declining as you finish them off.

Or SE can just give us Uriel Blade(or any decent AoE sword WS, really) outside campaign battle already... Although the flash effect is actually annoying as an Ochain PLD. <,<

[Byrthnoth]

Can anyone verify if it's possible to proc white !! without unlocking all of the TE?

Also, is anyone else having issues finding the 5th TE in bubu? I went in this morning and went through all 3 upper tier beastmen camps(marked on the map linked on bgwiki) and wasn't able to find it in two passes. Like an idiot I didn't bring many tools to get around so I didn't wanna wait on hide.

There are four camps, and the last one is way to the west.

[Strawhat]

For a second I thought I'd try this but unless PLD can use WS from its subs even with subs locked then this is false.

good point, guess that's why people had subs on, going to go try it reguardless, but cataclysm/fell cleave burn did seem more appealing to me

[Mythe_Seraph]

We tried this method last night in Bubu. RDM/THF + BLU (No sub). We got all time extensions and were farming the correct mobs based on the in game time of day, proc'ing red was no problem. No white proc's at all. The main problem we faced is we weren't killing very fast at all. The mobs would take like, 10~15% max with AoE DMG spells (this is a rough estimate). The BLU would dream flower, aoe non dmg spells, usually proc all or a most, then start to doe AoE DMG >> Sleep >> AoE DMG >> Sleep. It took a while and the most mobs we could pull were like 5~6, otherwise the damage when they were all awake would be pretty hard to keep up with even with Phalanx 2 etc etc.

What are we doing wrong? <. >

[Byrthnoth]

The person without a sub has to proc them. Were you magic proccing?

I don't sleep any of the monsters when I go DNC + WHM/THF. If they ever give me Reposega I sure would though.

[Mythe_Seraph]

The BLU (no sub) was proc'ing all mobs with magic yes. I was just using diaga at the end of the kills to tag TH on them, as I went RDM/THF.

The problem wasn't proc'ing them, it was the kill speed. How are people duo farming with BLU+RDM (so I've heard) and getting 200+ coins in a run? Unless they're getting 2x white proc's per run I don't see it happening.

[Byrthnoth]

They tanked on the BLU, it doesn't sound like they slept anything, and they used Whirl of Rage for damage.

[samuraipigeon]

can some1 clarify this for me, just been skim reading as i am currently short of time

blu (no sub) + rdm/thf you can basically do aoe burns (like blu's do in abyssea) in dynamis?

and reading through it, if the rdm has his sub then shouldnt he not be spamming diaga for proc's since from what ive read, idealling u want the blu to proc white?

i take it the rdm has to have phalanx 2 aswell?

[Churchill]

I'd just Circle blade proc everything, then switch to chant spam. When the number of mobs per pull is decent(10~15) I get TP fast enough to self SC continuously with Ochain+shield mastery+2 schaller.

The only issue there is as you kill mobs, your TP gain drops with every kill. So yeah, Aoelian is better since you can kill them all at once without TP gain degrading. But if you want SJ locked, then no AE.

One option would be to toss a WS or two on each mob to get them low, then start killing them. Doing most of the DMG while TP gain is high with it declining as you finish them off.

Or SE can just give us Uriel Blade(or any decent AoE sword WS, really) outside campaign battle already... Although the flash effect is actually annoying as an Ochain PLD. <,<

What mobs do you fight? The camp I like doesn't really lend itself to this, I tried it today and wasn't impressed. I think I'm either going to: not bother with white or finishing leveling my mules DNC and do MNK/THF

[xIndustrialxAngelx]

I guess I need to suck less. With Ochain PLD. I was getting worked with more than 5 mobs, and I couldn't kill them fast enough with my THF spamming AE. I guess I should have used some def food as well. Even with CDC, they wouldnt' die fast enough, and eventually my whm would pull hate with all the curing.

[Shizznight]

Unless you're going AoE Magic/WS then you don't have much choice. I went in with thf/nin and dnc/00 and I wasn't trying to spam the wheel. I ended up taking a hike a few times to move to another camp with JA proc time of day.

After 0 white proc and roughly 170 coins, 8 gloves I'll never use and 6 capes I think I've decided to try and proc with unlocked jobs also to speed it up. I had a better chance to get a 100 piece waiting on the locked character, but at the same time I sacrificed kill speed and probably lost about as many coins =/

[Mythe_Seraph]

Sorry if my post was a bit unclear.

Dynamis - Buburimu

Farming Technique: Magic proc on mobs

BLU/Locked - Pulled/Tanked/DD'd and Proc'd all magic on mobs

RDM/THF - Cured/Buffed/Diaga'd mobs near end for treasure hunter

We got all 5 time extensions then headed to the designated mobs based on the time. Our time allowed us to do Ravens >> Bunnies >> Dhalmel >> Ravens.

BLU had no problem proc'ing red on any mobs, there was no white procs at all. The difficulty we found was that if we would pull 5~6 mobs at once, I had a hard time keeping the BLU alive with just the RDM if the BLU were to spam DMG spells to kill mobs quick, while simultaneously proc'ing them (through use of magic).

We resorted to Dream Flower >> AoE DMG Spell >> AoE DMG Spell >> Dream Flower >> Repeat. However, the process was very very slow.

My question was how do BLU/NoSub + RDM/AnySub teams farm quick enough to get 200+ currency consistently?

(Sorry if my format is poor, or if my information is redundant, seemed like there was some confusion with what I posted earlier based on the responses I received)

[Nightfyre]

PDT + Phalanx II/Accession'd Phalanx + Cocoon?

[Haborym]

I have been doing Bub WHM/SCH NIN THF, and both the NIN and THF will spam AE untill all mobs are proc'd. I'll pull anywhere from 5-10 mobs at a time and have no trouble staying alive or keeping up with mp on my WHM. We brought a RDM once and it made things that much easier. Pulls went from 10+ to the whatever was up at the time and both mages sat at full mp most fo the time. Its been four days now and no white procs at all, but regardless we pull in 300+ currency a run. Bub has a pretty nice camp that has all three mob rotations surrounding it so there is no walking time between proc windows.

[Aragon of Odin]

Did Bub last night with RDM/WHM, NIN & THF, one White !!, and just over 300 singles, Rdm was only 91 and didn't have any problems keeping up with MP, says his Enhancing is only @200, so when it's capped I imagine Phalanx 2 will only make it that much easier as well. Dhamels take a lil longer to kill though with their Healing Breeze spam sometimes however.

[Helel]

If you're referring to my post about BLU + RDM, I was able to pull the entire wave of crabs without sleeping any of them and tank them all at once with phalanx II and -50% pdt. I'm guessing either your RDM does not have their enhancing magic capped (and/or phalanx II merits capped), or you're not wearing enough -pdt gear. 5-6 per pull is very very low. You should be able to pull the whole wave.

Your killspeed per mob may be low (I guess?) but when you're hitting 20+ mobs for 1k each, it's actually very efficient. There's other spells you can set as well, like frypan, body slam, etc. but most of them are not very mp efficient. It sounds like you're using "non-damaging AoE" but you should actually be using damaging AoE spells. By the time you kill them, you'll have proc'd all of them.

Lastly, you may want to consider locking the RDM's SJ and just setting TH on BLU. That way you can diaga them and proc faster (and get 100s)

[Mythe_Seraph]

The Rdm char I've been using hascapped Phalanx2 merits and enhancing gear is decent. I suppose we will try this again tonight and let the BLU use suband RDM go for magic proc. But he's a top notch BLU and we felt pretty silly getting rocked so hard. Do you recommend gear swaps for spells? Or full Time PDT and spell spam?

I also sent you a /t last night Helel but I think you were afk.

[Modoru]

I also sent you a /t last night Helel but I think you were afk.

Helel

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...did I read something wrong here? :s

[Mythe_Seraph]

Considering Seraph and Bismarck merged... no?