Neo-Dynamis Changes

[MaachaQ]

I'm looking up how to get the fragment for the horn and shield right now but all the wikis seem out of date. I'm happy to update but I want to be sure I'm right. Is it now the case that you farm a pop item from the appropriate satellite type and then pop it from a ??? How is the drop rate? Is it 100%?

Satellite horns cast Virelai, which charms and goes through shadows, so kinda need to kill them fast to avoid having DD charmed and raping any helper mage you might have with you >.> If you're solo, it might walk you into the middle of a bunch of agro while charmed.

I tried dual-boxing the Animated Dagger a couple weeks ago, WHM/SCH couldn't keep up MP because of the -aga spam, not sure on how bad the animated shield and horn are though.

As an aside, I could use help getting my 10 kills of Dagger and Horn on Bahamut >.> My Dynamis LS has been empty for weeks, people have lost interest already and even the people still building relics do it solo or duo only now...

[Kalasin]

Animated Horn is probably the easiest Animated Weapon of all. Doesn't have a special WS(obviously), hits aren't exactly strong and the only "danger" is Lullaby I guess if everyone is in range of it for some reason.

[barber2006]

All the horn does is horde lullaby every 30 seconds. One person out of range for cure 1 is all you need. It's less dangerous than the EP demons.

[Kipling]

Satellite horns cast Virelai, which charms and goes through shadows, so kinda need to kill them fast to avoid having DD charmed and raping any helper mage you might have with you >.> If you're solo, it might walk you into the middle of a bunch of agro while charmed.

I tried dual-boxing the Animated Dagger a couple weeks ago, WHM/SCH couldn't keep up MP because of the -aga spam, not sure on how bad the animated shield and horn are though.

As an aside, I could use help getting my 10 kills of Dagger and Horn on Bahamut >.> My Dynamis LS has been empty for weeks, people have lost interest already and even the people still building relics do it solo or duo only now...

In regards to horn I think you are over estimating viralei. While dual boxing it was pretty easy to tab over and //sleep before my mnk mule got anywhere close to me.

[vagus]

Decided to attempt Tav solo as bst/dnc. One of the TE is past 4 TS tarus. Mobs for JA trigger aren't to bad. However worms can't be pulled, bee's can one shot my pet and you have to fight tarus to get to pugils. Links area major problem. However this zone is dead usually so a group of 2-3 migh be best suited for this area.

Which is the cheapest Relic? Also my main jobs are Cor, Whm, Smn, Bst, War, which relic should I consider? Or should I just go for a relic and level the job later like a douche. Lol. I'm leaning toward relic bow, but not sure if there are any other cool relics. No interest in shield.

[Slycer]

Which is the cheapest Relic? Also my main jobs are Cor, Whm, Smn, Bst, War, which relic should I consider? Or should I just go for a relic and level the job later like a douche. Lol. I'm leaning toward relic bow, but not sure if there are any other cool relics. No interest in shield.

Depends on currency prices on your server. On Fenrir they're almost dead even, so they're all about the same.

[Yinnyth]

CC is a mob that changes it's behaviour dependant on what items you use on it(or dependant on which NMs you killed before the dynamis change), so you can't apply the same to that mob and take it as a reason for FRs behaviour.

The fact that CC has methods to weaken her renders any comparisons drawn between her and other mobs automatically void? CC when unweakened will use AoE breath attacks in place of normal melee hits, and these AoEs get reported in the chat log as "CC hits (person) for (damage) points of damage)". FR (and possibly neo fairy ring, but I have not adequately tested), use conal breath attacks in place of normal melee hits and these AoEs get reported in the chat log as "FR hits (person) for (damage) points of damage." Furthermore, when CC gets enough TP, she uses an ACTUAL TP move (instead of just one of her melee attacks), and it can even be one of the ones you've already sealed (which is why back in the day, she could still fragrant breath even if you've killed nantina). The 2 mobs sound like they follow a similar pattern to me, it's just that CC can have her special melee attacks locked and FR only seems to have access to one special melee attack.

Also, I did read your post, but it seems I misinterpretted what you were saying when I first read it:

He doesn't have anything but Frogkick that can be blocked by shadows though. His "normal" attacks are breath attacks as well, and have an additional effect: Poison(which you won't see in log, since it's a breath attack). I think it's safe to say, whatever damage form his "normal" attack(the breath attack) is, Dipper resists it.
Maybe Dipper has another trait we didn't know of, like Breath DMG-? A lot of possibilities.. Since Dipper resists the breath, but not the poison from it.

What I read that as was "FR does normal attacks (with normal attack animation) which ignore shadows and deals breath-type damage to a single target", when in truth you were saying "FRs normal attacks look and act like a breath attack." Though I see no mention of it looking and sounding exactly like dark spore. There is a screenshot from earlier: https://www.bg-wiki.com/bg/File:Lost.jpg which shows LFR using dark spore, though no indication as to whether it causes blind (like normal dark spore should), or poison (like FR's look-alike regular melee attacks). So if you do have a screenshot of being blinded while fighting FR, I would certainly appreciate it. I usually play mage jobs, so I'm not as well informed about when something causes blind.

So the next question I have then is: does LFR behave the same way? Does he have "regular" melee attacks which (although they resemble melee attacks) actually ignore shadows and deal breath damage? Or does he merely spam the suped-up dark spore until he gets TP? I'll try to pay better attention next time we fight him, but we're gonna be busy in Tav for a while.

[Kalasin]

LFR works the same way, but has more HP. And I posted a screenshot of being poisoned, not blinded from a regular breath attack a few pages back.

Edit: That's the screenshot I posted.

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http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/...015_030309.png

Second hit that killed me
http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/...91/dmgpic2.jpg

Clearly shows what I stated already. "Normal swings" are breath attacks that cannot be blocked by shadows, and have the additonal effect poison.

Edit2: The TP move Dark Spore (FR readies Dark Spore.) causes blind of course, it's a regular TP move and works as such. Just the melee attacks(the breath) have the same animation but cause poison.

I still don't understand why Dipper is taking only 20-200 damage a hit though, while all other pets I've seen so far take the full damage.

[Darkmagi]

Maybe the breath is classified as wind damage for some reason? Someone should check if ladybugs resist breath damage.

[Yinnyth]

That would be very strange if his normal attacks counted as wind damage. I might have to test with baraera and wind carols to see if it increases my resistance rate.

[Tachi]

His Breath attack is without a doubt dark based.

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http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q52/papesse/FR2.jpg
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q52/papesse/FR.jpg

[Helel]

Not sure why you'd be having troubles dual-boxing the animated dagger. Perhaps you didn't use baraera? His spells do like 50 damage with it up. Mercy stroke is very powerful though.

[Yinnyth]

You're cherry picking the results, though there is (at the very least) a grain of truth to what you are saying, Tachi. I ran some tests with a smn friend and most of the avatars. Every avatar except diabolos (including carbuncle) was taking 119 damage on the overwhelming majority of hits. Ifrit took one hit for 957, then 5x hits for 119 right after.

The interesting thing is this: if you assume the damage from FR's attacks is dark-based, wouldn't Fenrir also have a massive resistance to the damage? I'm no expert on SMN, but Fenrir took one hit for 478, and 4 hits for 119. Diabolos for some reason took over 10 hits for only 59 damage though. So although dark damage looks the most likely, I can't say that with 100% certainty yet.

Also, for those of you wondering why the damage I'm reporting is higher than the damage Tachi is reporting, it's probably a gear discrepency or the fact that the SMN I was testing with was only level 93.

Edit: I also couldn't get any significant results out of barspells + carols, so that's another supporting argument to the idea of it being dark-based.

[Tachi]

Fenrir has no particular resistance against the element of dark, this is the same thing for Carbuncle about Light.

[Atoreis]

Not sure why you'd be having troubles dual-boxing the animated dagger. Perhaps you didn't use baraera? His spells do like 50 damage with it up. Mercy stroke is very powerful though.

Maacha likes to overestimate everything and have not even low strategy skills. You need to tell her exactly what to do in what order and she will do it then.
No offence Maacha but this is true ^^

[Atoreis]

How about the simplest solution is usually the best one? They fucked up Yuly and she resist dark damage by mistake. Someone could go and check it against some other dark damage idk Meteor?

inb4 AV Yuly zerg.

[NynJa]

http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Carbuncle/Mayoneko

move to carby and hunt this guy down? lol


If Yuly really resists dark damage, its probably "toss Yuly's at it". You could toss Diabolos at it, and while it might survive a while taking 60 dmg a pop, its also going to kill it REALLY slowly, presuming your only method of DD would be Camisado since the other two rages are dark damage.

[Kalasin]

Whatever FR is using Yuly resists it, I and many more can attest to that. You can even solo FR(not Lost one, well not my bst) without any real danger, the hits do ~100(I have to check the exact value) just the poison is the annoying part, but with a decent Reward set it's not a problem since it won't live forever. Maybe Atoreis is right and they fucked up Yulys resist rates, or it's something else we don't know aboout.

[Raytheon]

Just wanted to share my dyna-valk solo experience:

Went 95BLU/0 (no sub to proc white), hit all 5/5 TE's within 15 minutes. Got lucky and TE 5 was on the west side of Selbina, putting 4 of the TE's within 5 minutes of each other, the 5th was on the opposite side otw to secret beach.

Spells:
Head Butt
Sprout Smack
Disseverment
Sudden Lunge
Whirl of Rage
Empty Thrash
Battery Charge
Plenilune Embrace
Occultation
Animated Wail
Actinic Burst
Plasma Charge
Dream Flower
Zephyr Mantle
Chaotic Eye
Quadratic Continuum
Cocoon
Heavy Strike

BLU was perfect because it really doesn't need a subjob. 7 shadows from Occultation, and being able to haste/cure myself makes a huge difference. I set the following JA's in addition:

Double Attack
Dual Wield
MAB
Auto-Refresh
Conserve-MP

After TE's were dead, I rotated through hyppos/treants/flys depending on magic weakness proc time. I was able to farm about 30 total currency. Not having a sub makes putting shadows up expensive, but well worth it. Probably would have gotten more if I wasn't trying to help some noob get a few TE's after I had already done them for myself, wasted about 20min doing that....

Anyway, brought 2 stacks of echo's and antidotes, RR hairpin which I ended up not having to use since I was lucky enough not to die. Unfortunately no white proc, but the potential is definitely there to solo yourself a 100 on BLU if you're patient enough.

Typically I duo/trio with a DNC and THF friend, but neither was on last night, so wanted to see what a solo experience was like, so there it is!

[Lyramion]

http://www.ffxiah.com/player/Carbuncle/Mayoneko

move to carby and hunt this guy down? lol


If Yuly really resists dark damage, its probably "toss Yuly's at it". You could toss Diabolos at it, and while it might survive a while taking 60 dmg a pop, its also going to kill it REALLY slowly, presuming your only method of DD would be Camisado since the other two rages are dark damage.

Silly idea but... there still is Fenrir right?

... or is Diablos somehow more resistant to Darkness than Fenrir?