General Update Changes (May-09-11)

[Arthars]

guess that, that mofo thinks im talking about everyone's grudge, which obviously is already a BLU spell. looks like even JP confused the 2 names

back to square 1 i guess lol

[Xilk]

hmmm... if it just had an effect like tonberry hate does for everyone's grudge, maybe it increases you attack or damage depending on how much hate you have on the mob. That would be a very cool effect, but tricky to test.. bring out the libra spell to test that theory.

[Gwynplaine]

So do the new AF3+2 items moved to older NMs drop at a much lower rate, and only with procing Grellow? There's not like any that have one 100% pity drop like some Heroes NMs?

[Cymmina]

So do the new AF3+2 items moved to older NMs drop at a much lower rate, and only with procing Grellow? There's not like any that have one 100% pity drop like some Heroes NMs?

Comparable to the timed +2 NMs in Heroes zones: sometimes get one or the other, both, or none.

[Pendulum]

You dont need grellow to ensure +2s from 'older' NMs.

[Psion]

My personal theory on rancor torque is it makes you nigh immune to everybody's grudge, basically making only the grudge of the tonberry you're fighting count for the damage multiplier. Hence TONBERRY's grudge and not EVERYBODY's grudge.

[Arthars]

So do the new AF3+2 items moved to older NMs drop at a much lower rate, and only with procing Grellow? There's not like any that have one 100% pity drop like some Heroes NMs?

im pretty sure 1 of the +2 drops anytime, 1 or 0, while the other comes from proc. 1 max of each +2 from older NM only tho

fought 50 carabosse gem when they patched and only got voyage card and never coin. Proc-ed yellow while helping friend and i start seeing coins

[NynJa]

Updated Bounty Shot information

WITH Signet, with AF3+2 gloves...Bounty Shot TH is still starting at 3, which is the same as it was without signet. What does that mean? I dont know, maybe Treasure Hound is broken and it works without Signet as well, and Bounty Shot is just TH1? Wait...no thats impossible because I did it in Rolan[s] and got the same results, where Kupowers dont even exist.

[Haborym]

I thought Treasure Hound was just TH1 and didn't work in combination with gear. It would be like hitting a mob with TH2 applied with TH4 gear; it will instantly jump to TH4.

[Churchill]

Treasure Hound stacks with Treasure Hunter (On THF). eg. first proc with native TH6=TH8 (+1 from proc and +1 from Treasure Hound).

[Atoreis]

0/11 on trigger for Nidhogg with th9-11 ... fail...

[Taint]

im pretty sure 1 of the +2 drops anytime, 1 or 0, while the other comes from proc. 1 max of each +2 from older NM only tho

fought 50 carabosse gem when they patched and only got voyage card and never coin. Proc-ed yellow while helping friend and i start seeing coins

I've soloed Ovni atleast a dozen times and the +2 item seems very random, I've gotten 4 cards and 6 coins, 2 yellow procs one dropped both, one dropped just a stone. Always had TH of some sort.

[Aemora]

im pretty sure 1 of the +2 drops anytime, 1 or 0, while the other comes from proc. 1 max of each +2 from older NM only tho

fought 50 carabosse gem when they patched and only got voyage card and never coin. Proc-ed yellow while helping friend and i start seeing coins

From all the Carabosse's and Briareus's that we've done, Cara's main drop is the Card, grellow will make the Coin drop. Briar's main drop is the Jewel, grellow makes the Stone drop. I've never seen both drop, but have always seen 1 drop, so kinda thinking that on these, it's 100% for one of the other, grellow will just flip which one you get.

Haven't fought Hadhayosh, Ovni, Ruminator nor Karkinos, ergo cannot comment on those.

[Mercilessturtle]

The main drop seems about 75% (with th3 anyhow), and the secondary drop requires grellow. You can definitely get both if you trigger:

[22:35:38]You find a coin of voyage on Carabosse.
[22:35:38]You find a ryoshi hachimaki on Carabosse.
[22:35:38]You find a pair of afflictors on Carabosse.
[22:35:38](2*) You find a Carabosse's gem on Carabosse.
[22:35:38]You find a card of voyage on Carabosse.

[macross]

0/11 on trigger for Nidhogg with th9-11 ... fail...

How many riddils did you get?!

[Atoreis]

How many riddils did you get?!

0...

[Julian]

You can get both +2's without any triggers.

At least I did on Fistule with TH6~8ish

[ccf]

0/11 on trigger for Nidhogg with th9-11 ... fail...

Yeah this is really bad, we went like 1/13, and of course no ridill. Worse fate with Behemoth 0/8 with no KB pops. So the story is if you want a defending ring, go farm lots of KS coz it sucks even more than before.

[Byrthnoth]

Yeah, I've been seeing about a 50% drop rate on each of the the items added to Visions zones. 3 Chloris got us 3 Cards of Balance. 4 Glavoids (3 Grellows out of sheer luck) got us 4 Cards of Balance and 2 or 3 Stones of Balance. It seems unlikely that Glavoid and Chloris would both "Card Main," so I'm inclined to think that all items can drop all the time and we just got lucky to get so many Cards.

[Mercilessturtle]

It is very unlikely that any item can drop any time, just looking at 20+ non-grellow caras with nothing but main drops, and 1 with a secondary that was grellowed. It is probably similar to heroes mobs, some have a main and a secondary (3/1 split) and others don't (2/2 split, empousa, Hedjedjet, etc). NMs with a main drop have a higher drop rate on their main, but lower on their secondary. Other NMs have a roughly equal drop rate on both their items, neither being "main".