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It's just a way to categorize the type of vulnerability, the JP use it mostly. 1 = normal vulnerability, 3 = highly vulnerable and 5 = extreme. I have no idea where the #'s comes from though, as there's no 2 or 4.Originally Posted by Howie Roary
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2012-01-03 17:07 #2061Blue Magic is Best Magic
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2012-01-03 17:13 #2062Salvage Bans
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[Proc]1 is a NQ proc (normal vulnerability), [Proc]3 is n HQ proc (highly vulnerable), [Proc]5 is extreme (white) proc; or at least they are on my server. You may also see some JPs use [Proc]!, [Proc]!!!, [Proc]!!!!!. When you see something like DRK JA1, it means that the proc is Weapon Bash (because its the only JA they can use for procing), and that the 1 means its a NQ proc. Originally Posted by Howie Roary
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2012-01-03 17:20 #2063Nidhogg
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I have been in JP groups where members used to use !, !!!, and !!!!! to describe the weaknesses. I assume this was shortened to 1, 3, and 5 for convenience. You can use the auto-translator and this system to communicate weaknesses to any nationality, so I started using it too. Originally Posted by Draylo
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2012-01-03 17:48 #2064A. Body
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Originally Posted by noodles355
Would be hard to completely generalize.
Over TPing benefits all the heavy DDs WSs, so Tact is either helping you hit 100tp or helping WS damage.
Chaos vs fighters depends on your jobs and buffs and players. My guess is you'll end up Mizer/Tact 95% of the time, since most VW is pickup and most pickup resist trying new stuff.
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2012-01-03 19:37 #2065Banned.
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I usually don't bother asking for it in pickups to avoid getting into retarded arguments with pros and such, but the JP pickups I do almost exclusively use Miser's/Chaos, and sometimes Miser's/Fighters. I usually parse every fight I DD on and so far the JP runs have come out ahead vs the NA runs. It could also be because I remain hasted in JP parties, but I usually go on SAM and WS Average/Frequency is a better indication of damage being dealt.
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2012-01-03 19:49 #2066Flowery Twats
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I suppose using 300TP wings to get up Lv3 Aftermath, and using /War with Last Stand could be good. After I finish up Exenterator and 5/5 Last Stand I guess I'll parse myself against the same VW with both setups. Maybe just parse for a set period of time like 3 minutes.
Actually, I have decent Store TP gear from Rng, maybe I should look at 5hitting /war with chaos/misers.
Want to try this out now actually, and if I'm ditching tacticians altogether I could make a few TP set variations for different levels of misers roll, and use whatever depending on the roll amount... ooh I'm getting all excited. Afk, Store TP calulations.
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2012-01-03 19:55 #2067Pens win! Pens Win!!! PENS WIN!!!!!
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When VW first came out, people were getting 40% procs and 200% procs. At the time people didn't know that procing dirty (during TP or spell casting) would cause a normal and strong stagger to be double the amount. So they assumed there was a glitch and 2 and 4 procs didnt show in chat log so thats why they called it 1 and 3. Originally Posted by Draylo
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2012-01-03 20:06 #2068Relic Horn
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Actually I asked about this my JP friend like 2 months ago and he said that 1,2 and 3 are just from the number of "!" they getting with stagger hint. They have nq hint with "!" at the end. "!!!" at the end of hq and "!!!!!" at the end of the white hint so I have no idea where Jornna got his info. Originally Posted by Jornna
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2012-01-03 20:59 #2069Pens win! Pens Win!!! PENS WIN!!!!!
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From Japanese people I did voidwatch with on my server.
Because its the same for everyone right?
And I don't really think there are different number of !.
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2012-01-03 21:25 #2070
Pretty random question, but we still have no third drop for Rw Nw Prt M Hrw. Does he just have a higher drop rate on scrolls or something?
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2012-01-03 21:30 #2071Burninate all the things.
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I assume it's a practical method for reducing the possibility of hitting the wrong button and confusing people. Originally Posted by Draylo
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2012-01-03 22:19 #2072Salvage Bans
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All I've ever seen is people talk about cor/blm/smn for Rex, but it's more than possible to do it with just 2 WARs as main DD. The only thing we do differently is add a second COR in the main DD party.
Parse of one of our 4 Rex fights tonight:
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Just wanted to share our experience, every fight is basically < 3min, unless something goes terribly wrong.
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2012-01-03 22:31 #2073I'm more gentle than I look.
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I want to assume the smite person was either a pup or fapping
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2012-01-03 23:41 #2074D. Ring
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Any details on your fight? Buffs used, etc.
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2012-01-04 00:02 #2075Salvage Bans
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Chaos/Fighter's/Miser/Tact for the 4 rolls. The main DD party was CORx2 WARx2 WHM and BRD, 2nd party was tank, 3rd was procers.
The fight itself is basically fana zerg til 70% and chainspell -> fool's and zerg til that wears -> re-fana and usually dead by the time that wears. Last 30% stunners stun every TP move to avoid charm.
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2012-01-04 04:37 #2076Flowery Twats
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just in case WARs both ate the dirt? Originally Posted by EjinCaitsith
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2012-01-04 04:55 #2077Salvage Bans
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Originally Posted by EjinCaitsith
Yeah. If the WARs happen to die, the tank party is there to hold it for 5min until the WARs are ready to zerg again. Originally Posted by noodles355
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2012-01-04 05:14 #2078Sea Torques
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Not done it as linkshell yet, but around 0/8 doing it as pickups. Keeping it staggered as much as possible and keeping fanatics refreshed seems to be the key to it.
If DDs don't have fanatics then they will likely be dead very soon, biggest cause of death was always HP down > -ja spell immediately after. For a PLD if shit goes wrong you really need Aegis, Ochain PLDs just die far too quickly without fanatics drink, although saying that the Ochain PLDs I've come across I doubt even know what an MDT set is.
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2012-01-04 11:17 #2079Relic Horn
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thx man that confirms exactly what i was speculating at LS (tho i was thinking about 2x brd for minuets+marches and 1cor for miser+chaos) but your idea is probably better since cor can add damage too. Originally Posted by EjinCaitsith
gonna try this soon
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2012-01-04 12:26 #2080A. Body
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Originally Posted by EjinCaitsith
Smart, every group I've gone with wants to slow kill Rex which leads to a long win or a long wipe.
Reminds me of the first few Qilin's where groups tried to kill the adds then focus on Qilin instead of just zerging from the start.
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