Voidwatch Discussion

[Taim Meich]

I think it was obvious, I mean, everyone knows the Wyvern chooses the breath based on the least resistantelement, right?

[Byrthnoth]

There are problems when it calls for a breath that you cannot get the wyvern to use regardless how many threnodies/San ninjutsu/enspell IIs/etc. you use.

[Foldypaws]

There are problems when it calls for a breath that you cannot get the wyvern to use regardless how many threnodies/San ninjutsu/enspell IIs/etc. you use.

Take Qilin for example. There is *no* way you will ever lower his Earth resistance enough such that the wyvern will ever use earth breath.

They need to freaking change Smiting Breath to let you specify an element.

[Arthars]

well if we talking abt natural resistances, then it doesnt only affect breaths

its like fucking ST6 that almost all resist ice/dark enfeebles and you get impossible procs

they need to fix those, yea but in those cases, at least breathe have a 1/8 chance to get it in than paralyse that NEVER gets in on some nms

[Seph]

So Botulus Rex
What is the easy way to beat that stupid NM?

Hate reset
Chainspell metor
Hits 1k normal hits with Amnesia
Fast cast Ja spells
Insane def (lol mnks doing 70-100 smites)
Auto regen
etc

If there is something that i don't know let me know :/
I only tried random run toke half its hp but we had bad procc (pup and BST...)

Can clear it if we get lucky procc but can't find a way to spam this NM for its drops unless there is something missing

[noodles355]

DD pop fana, zerg, dont bother trying to proc, just DD. Blms/proc bitches focus on procs to refresh fanas. Get ready for CS and pop fools when see animation. Macro fools/fanas if you didn't already. Keep DDing and hope for good triggers. At least, that's what we've been trying, but we kinda get completely fucked on triggers every single fucking time.

Cor works pretty well. Wildfire averages well over 2k on it and Fire Shot is around 600. Yet to break 3k with Wildfire, but lemme at it on Firesday and it should be easy.

[Seph]

DD pop fana, zerg, dont bother trying to proc, just DD. Blms/proc bitches focus on procs to refresh fanas. Get ready for CS and pop fools when see animation. Macro fools/fanas if you didn't already. Keep DDing and hope for good triggers. At least, that's what we've been trying, but we kinda get completely fucked on triggers every single fucking time.

Cor works pretty well. Wildfire averages well over 2k on it and Fire Shot is around 600. Yet to break 3k with Wildfire, but lemme at it on Firesday and it should be easy.

3X wars buffed by 2xcor+brd can spam 2k ukos and hit much harder than any rng or cor i saw
We are killing it quite fast but once we get it half HP a Bst or pup procc pops lol.... i can swear this NM is programmed to chose procc for jobs you are missing or something he does that every single time

will try again later and see how it goes >.<

[Churchill]

You can just do that same 3xWAR 2xCOR+BRD setup with another party having WHM WHM RDM SMN RNG and BLM BLM BLU DRG DRK NIN and not worry about procs.

[Seph]

Might just wait for the upcoming VW NMs AOE moves nerf i guess
Annoying NM specially if you are doing a shout run without LS like my case... stuck with people who can't hit freaking fools drink macro fast when he chainspell or not being able to procc what is already called (resist)

[Alkimi]

3X wars buffed by 2xcor+brd can spam 2k ukos and hit much harder than any rng or cor i saw
We are killing it quite fast but once we get it half HP a Bst or pup procc pops lol.... i can swear this NM is programmed to chose procc for jobs you are missing or something he does that every single time

will try again later and see how it goes >.<

I've yet to see any WS go that high bar Wildfire, but we were only using 1x COR 1x BRD at the time. Our DDs are also having major accuracy issues, are people using acc food or buffs?

Half tempted to bring a THF for Feint or hit it with Randgrith regularly.

[Helel]

Well if they're buffed with 2 bards and 1 corsair, I would hope they're doing at least as much damage as wildfire (assuming you're using march(x2)+minuet(x2+)). Still a waste of space. You might as well replace the 2 brds with rng or cor and have more people to spam wildfire. With a second cor, you also have the option of using magic attack roll, instead of only miser's + chaos/tact/fighter's/whatever.

[noodles355]

I would like to see any melee DD average 2.4k+ on Botulus. And I don't mean posting a screenshot of a high damage spike. I mean an average WS throughout the fight.
And then I'd like to know the buffs and gear those WARs were using, because our Ukons don't seem to be even getting close. I do doubt the claim, but I really want to be proven wrong and shown what we're doing wrong.

But this is our last attempt (Edited out proc WSs/people for less clutter):

Monk                        12607          0     12607    61.22 %      27/0   100.00 %     56/1118   466.93
 - Victory Smite            11198          0     11198    88.82 %      22/0   100.00 %     56/1118   509.00
Warrior                      7850          0      7850    71.39 %      12/3    80.00 %    134/1042   654.17
 - Ukko's Fury               7850          0      7850   100.00 %      12/3    80.00 %    134/1042   654.17
Paladin                     12522          0     12522    77.42 %      35/0   100.00 %      30/889   357.77
 - Atonement                 5142          0      5142    41.06 %      15/0   100.00 %     205/421   342.80
 - Chant du Cygne            7031          0      7031    56.15 %      16/0   100.00 %     107/889   439.44
Dark Knigh                   9661          0      9661    60.16 %      11/0   100.00 %    230/1463   878.27
 - Catastrophe                725          0       725     7.50 %       2/0   100.00 %     230/495   362.50
 - Resolution                7826          0      7826    81.01 %       7/0   100.00 %    804/1463  1118.00
 - Scourge                   1110          0      1110    11.49 %       2/0   100.00 %     393/717   555.00
Corsair                     10962          0     10962    69.71 %       5/0   100.00 %   2104/2328  2192.40
 - Wildfire                 10962          0     10962   100.00 %       5/0   100.00 %   2104/2328  2192.40
Corsair                     87694          0     87694    91.43 %      37/0   100.00 %    625/2860  2370.11
 - Wildfire                 87694          0     87694   100.00 %      37/0   100.00 %    625/2860  2370.11
Blue Mage                   10845          0     10845    67.94 %      23/0   100.00 %      26/765   471.52
 - Chant du Cygne           10752          0     10752    99.14 %      20/0   100.00 %     114/765   537.60
Samurai                     34633          0     34633    70.48 %      34/1    97.14 %    288/1691  1018.62
 - Tachi: Fudo               3083          0      3083     8.90 %       4/1    80.00 %     465/924   770.75
 - Tachi: Shoha             31550          0     31550    91.10 %      30/0   100.00 %    288/1691  1051.67

The War/Drk/Sam had Chaos/Misers/March/Min. The Pld/Blu/Mnk Had Tactician/Miser/March/Min.

And before anyone says "2nd PT should have chaos, not tactician", concider the Corsair in their PT did well over double the damage of all three of them combined.

To be honest, when looking over the whole parse, Tactician was definitely more beneficial than Chaos in this instance. Hell, the Pld Blu and Mnk all did more total damage than the Drk and War in the Chaos PT... purely through WS frequency. TP phase damage was so shit (100/swing higest average), and acc so low (65% highest), and regain meant the tactician PT averaged 20-30 WSs over the attemps, and the chaos PT all only averaged 10-15.

I'm thinking best bet would be Cor/Cor/Brd with Hunter/Chaos/Miser/Tactician/Minuet/March maybe...

[transmit]

I didnt have any COR / BRD buffs for Botulus, I was punted into the BLM party for that fight. (Just saying!)

[Taint]

Friends of mine: BLM burned it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8LhNrjp4z0

[EjinCaitsith]

I would like to see any melee DD average 2.4k+ on Botulus.

You mean this that was posted 5 pages ago?

Edit: Inb4 you get technical and say it isn't above 2.4K. The point is that it is close and that the WAR in the parse you posted did terrible.

[Atoreis]

You mean this that was posted 5 pages ago?

Edit: Inb4 you get technical and say it isn't above 2.4K. The point is that it is close and that the WAR in the parse you posted did terrible.

What Ejin said.

I did Rex with my LS with 3x WAR zerg and even with 2nd WAR dieing constantly at first Chainspell and 3rd WAR being a little weaker (I think we switched this WAR with SAM at some point) we once killed it almost (we took it to 10%) w/o any proc (Only did like 4 NQ stagger). With 2-3 Red proc or 2red+1white it was easy pray. Dont remember if I have parse from that fight but Ukko was avg around 2k I think. It was pretty much the same as Ejin discribed Fanatic > Fool > Fanatic.

We have also one WAR always just for stagger (he likes it and he is very good at it) so DD party can focus on zerg.

Idk what ppl doing wrong really but I usually beats all shout Ukon WARs like 30% to 8%. No equip change and no food? VW zerg is easy but you still need to click those macros in the right moments.

[Colenzo]

Theres no way you were averaging that high with just those rolls lol unless theres some point in where you attack him where he wants to take more than 1k damage consistently... <_< no idea how you're doing that. Was your BRD doing double minuets or something too? What kind of BRD were you using? ~_~ the highest we could get our ukon war's damage up to with that same setup was like 1k

~_~ Just emo raging because i totally did this before and it didnt turn out well. Guess we an always try it again lol.

[EjinCaitsith]

Theres no way you were averaging that high with just those rolls lol unless theres some point in where you attack him where he wants to take more than 1k damage consistently... <_< no idea how you're doing that.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4126/rex.png

Either way, I'm not saying this is the best or easiest method to kill Rex for everyone. I fully realize not all groups have the caliber of DD that we have, especially if you have to shout for pick ups. I was just sharing what worked for our group.

[Colenzo]

I'll retry it again later and let you know the results...Im thinking they didnt have the right buffs or something just didnt go right. The DDs being good or bad isn't even a factor for us. I think we just didnt have enough buffs on them...

[Nameless]

You can definitely trust Ejin's result as I have seen him in action. As for trying to find out how he averages so high, I have a few thoughts.

1) Looking at the parse, it seems like they have a Drg, at least for that fight, and for short fight like this, Angon can be really helpful for the duration of the fight as attack is generally the base of your WS damage.
2) Dia III the mob as much as possible, small thing like this is often neglected by pick up Rdm or Whm as they are busy screwing around with other things.
3) Use your wing. If you are consistently procing, you should be getting wing all the time, and the difference between a 100% tp ukko and a 300% tp one is huge. On this type of mob where your attack might not be capped, critical makes a huge difference. Stardiver, which has very small effect on critical hit evasion, can also help if you have a Drg.
4) Eat food.
5) Don't forget accuracy on your WS. Most ppl, especially your pickup DD, think they are capped on accuracy since they are lvl 99. In Ig-Alima and Rex that's the worst thing you can assume. I see ppl blindly using Heafoc mitt on multi hit WS, stacking STR with no regard of accuracy. Stw. drink helps a bit, brave drink helps a bit, but not to a degree that you should completely forget accuracy.

That's all I can think of.