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2012-01-19 01:19 #2201Blue Magic is Best Magic
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2012-01-19 01:46 #2202HABS SUCK!!!!!
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not fight rex and SE will say "working as intended"
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2012-01-19 02:41 #2203Cerberus
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Doesn't matter, it's getting nerfed according to SE
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...041#post263041
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recently the issue of only tanks being able to get near the target due to powerful AoE spells has shifted the balance. As a result, players have become more dependent on temporary items and more often than not, players continually proc weaknesses in order to use temporary items. We agree with the players saying that “it’s ridiculous that one hit from an AoE spell kills me,” and this is the issue that we are placing a high priority on resolving.
As a future adjustment, we’re considering lowering the damage that non-targeted characters receive from AoE spells. We will re-evaluate the overall balance once we reduce the damage from AoE spells, but if further adjustments are necessary, we may look into the effects of weaknesses.
※With regard to battle balance, I would like to note that we do not assume that every player has the best armor, such as Aegis and Ochain, or Relic/Mythic/Empyrean Weapons. It is definitely advantageous to have the best gear, but we are making adjustments so that even players without the best gear are able to creatively finish all content.
A specific adjustment we have planned is to set blue and red alignment at their maximum values at the beginning of the battle.
※It would be possible to raise these values even more through ascent items.
As a result, players will not have to worry about exploiting weakness in order to obtain better loot. Our aim is for players to only have to consider exploiting weakness as part of their battle strategy. Also, this adjustment will address the difficulty of smaller parties obtaining loot.
Weakness revamps
In order to create battles that can be completed without relying on temporary items, we are planning to revamp weaknesses as well as adjust the distribution of temporary items.
Also, in regards to cases where the weakness is difficult or due to your setup you cannot exploit it even though you determined what it is, we are planning to perform appropriate adjustments. Though we have already received quite a bit of feedback on weakness, if there are any others you would like us to look into please submit your feedback.
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2012-01-19 02:44 #2204
So he'll only one-shot one player per TP move (unless the player is an O.chain or Aegis PLD)? Oh good, that makes him much more manageable and really opens up our strategic options.
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2012-01-19 02:53 #2205Cerberus
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Basically what they are adjusting in plain English is
Originally Posted by Byrthnoth
1-Reduce aoe damage from VW NMs
2-an alternative way to get past certain process if it was difficult to land or if you basically didn't have that process, not sure what it's yet
And of course they are definitely want you to survive without temps, temps suppose to make the fight easier not "omg we are dead if we don't refresh temps asap) but they are not clear on what it's yet but from the various other posts i read it seems they are looking into lowered amount of temps getting refreshed but also making the NM easier to balance that change
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2012-01-19 02:59 #2206Blue Magic is Best Magic
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Is anyone kinda worried they will mess some spaghetti code up and make it so all AOE spells do less dmg on non-targeted mobs?
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2012-01-19 03:03 #2207I fully anticipate that this will happen. Originally Posted by Draylo
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2012-01-19 03:21 #2208Cerberus
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I just checked and SE have posted this today lol
Upcoming 18 War zerg fights for sure
They will let you Cap light from the start but it will cost more (trading cells) as if the gil was an issue SE can be really stupid sometimes, capping light was never an issue
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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post264230
The issue at hand is the highest priority issue that we would like to address first before we make any other adjustments. There are many other adjustments we would like to make
In order to avoid content becoming monotonous, an idea we are looking into is not completely separating weakness and loot by increasing the maximum bonus attained through cells and other ascent items. As a result, if there are few players involved, using cells will replace having to proc weakness, and for larger parties, it would be possible to avoid paying the high cost for cells by procing weakness as usual.
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2012-01-19 05:52 #2209Sea Torques
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I've yet to try one that didn't result in a pile of bodies. We've done OK on it but all the shout groups have been a lot worse. Will try again in a few days, adjusting some things such as some WS sets and using 2 CORs rather than the usual one with Miser/Chaos/Hunters and possibly Rogues or Fighter's as last roll. I'll also hit it with Randgrith whenever possible since WHM doesn't do an awful lot while either fanatics or fools are being used. Originally Posted by Arthars
We're just baffled tbh as to why our DDs are doing so badly. Our WARs aren't quite as well geared as people like Eijin but they're very close with only minor differences in TP/WS sets.
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2012-01-19 06:15 #2210
I took it down four or five times with a shout group a week or two ago. I think we had three or four wildfire CORs and one zerg DD party. Two BLMs and miscellaneous useful proccers in the second/third party. I am sure this is a re-hash of stuff that has already been posted, but here are some useful tips from the BLM point of view:
1) My BLM gear kinda sucks, but Ascetic's/Braver's is very useful for this fight.
2) If you aren't in melee AoE range, use Fools as your last temp item during the initial spawning temp item spam. If you proc 0 times before he Chainspells, you're fucked anyway. You will trigger Chainspell before it wears, or you're fucked anyway. This guarantees your support won't be hurt by Chainspell and there will be fewer targets to heal.
3) Spam proc/damage spells on BLM, but when you get near 80% have one of the BLMs hold off for Stun and Stun after the first quick-casted spell (which actually occurs before chainspell in my log). This will give your DDs time to get Fools up.
4) Spam proc/damage spells during Chainspell (he takes extra damage? idr, maybe set procs), but towards the end you will want to hold off and ready Stun again. Stunning the first post-chainspell TP move will save most of your DDs and give them a chance to put up Fanatic's.
5) From here on out it is all about procs and not being a retard with your temps.
Given how useless most enfeebles are these days, I am amazed SE hasn't made everything immune to Stun yet.
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2012-01-19 06:34 #2211Sea Torques
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That's cause Stun is Dark Magic. If it was Enfeebling, we'd all be fucked.
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2012-01-19 08:46 #2212I think FFXI should be Free-2-Play
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Originally Posted by Churchill
Slayers also has huge AGI+, guess that also boosted WS dmg a lot. My highest WF on Rex with fire shot on firesday is 3.2k without MAB roll, using only lv 13 slayers and average WF gear missing a lot of AGI pieces.
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2012-01-20 12:08 #2213Flowery Twats
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Does that Wivre NM Stachysaurus take extra damage from ranged attacks? Because every melee DD in the party, most noticable ones were OAT Drg, Apoc Drk, Conquerer War, Ukon War were averaging around 2k~ on him (Jp pickup, minimal buffs), however the equally unbuffed Rng was averaging 3500 with Jishnus on parse.
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2012-01-20 14:26 #2214First invited, last in the zone.
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I don't know about ranged, but he seems to take extra magic damage. Originally Posted by noodles355
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2012-01-20 15:17 #2215Ridill
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I am more worried that the spaghetti code will somehow make it so that level 1 mobs will one-shot level 99s and casting an enfeebling spell on an enemy will cause the effect on the caster. If healing spells could one-shot undead, the spaghetti code can cause almost anything. Originally Posted by Draylo
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2012-01-20 15:29 #2216BG Content
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I'm still wondering when I'm going to get banned for curing that skeleton in Sea Serpent Grotto about 5 minutes before they took the server down for the emergency maintenance. Made mad gilz off that bone chip, yo. Originally Posted by Septimus
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2012-01-21 00:50 #2217Hydra
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Might be a stupid question, but are there a set number of HQ procs and NQ procs during a fight?
ex: there are 3 HQ procs and 10 NQ procs at one point in time.
if I get an NQ proc, does that automatically give a new NQ proc, or can that turn into HQ proc (aka 4 HQ procs, 9 NQ)
or is it like.. always 3 HQ procs, 10 NQ procs and if you get an NQ proc it turns into another NQ and HQ to HQ?
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2012-01-21 00:51 #2218First invited, last in the zone.
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4 HQ 6 NQ at all times, when you proc one a replacement is picked. 1 EV that doesn't get replaced.
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2012-01-22 06:27 #2219Relic Horn
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Another melee Rex parse if you are interested
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DD party was 3xWAR BRD COR COR with BRD going to mages after singing marches and SMN coming to DD party for Earmor (Ragni and Charlote were dying from blizzaja and thundaja too much w/o Earmor)
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2012-01-22 07:24 #2220Relic Horn
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*2HQ 4NQ Originally Posted by Foldypaws
Unless all my VW experience decieved me
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