Voidwatch Discussion

[Atoreis]

To be entirely honest PLD is a waste of a spot, and by taking it "slowly" at the beginning, then having to rely on procs I don't think it beats the "manaburn" strat. We seriously kill it in less than 4 mins everytime, unless something goes terribly wrong, and you are always in control of the situation with all the stuns.
How can a single PLD keep hate in order to make it worth taking that spot?

You kinda skewed what he posted.

His idea is too have PLD to keep it for a moment to find proc and the most important by doing this you can replace one wole BLMx4 COR WHM from your setup with stagger jobs and have MUCH more chance to cover HQ and HQ2 procs.

8 BLMs and 2 cors is really an overkill unless they sucks and you need that much to kill it. Not to mention 2 WHMs in BLM partys in your setup should be SMNs and that even more overkill if they are good and can throw some powerful Thunderstorms.

Personalyl I would suggest:

4x good BLMs COR SMN (dd party)
COR BRD WAR DRK NIN RNG (stagger melee pt)
WHM SMN SAM DRG RDM something

Let SAM tank it for a minute to find staggers on fanatic then rape it. 4xBLMs 2xCORs and 2xSMNs should be more than enough.

[Helel]

Or you can just run away if you can't get the HQs.

[dionisik]

You kinda skewed what he posted.

His idea is too have PLD to keep it for a moment to find proc and the most important by doing this you can replace one wole BLMx4 COR WHM from your setup with stagger jobs and have MUCH more chance to cover HQ and HQ2 procs.

8 BLMs and 2 cors is really an overkill unless they sucks and you need that much to kill it. Not to mention 2 WHMs in BLM partys in your setup should be SMNs and that even more overkill if they are good and can throw some powerful Thunderstorms.

Personalyl I would suggest:

4x good BLMs COR SMN (dd party)
COR BRD WAR DRK NIN RNG (stagger melee pt)
WHM SMN SAM DRG RDM something

Let SAM tank it for a minute to find staggers on fanatic then rape it. 4xBLMs 2xCORs and 2xSMNs should be more than enough.

Yeah basically instead of SAM tanking it at the beginning, or PLD, we are having the NIN doing so while everyone pops temps + finds magic procs.
bringing 6-8 blms intead of 4 make it so u can kill it with just ONE HQ proc, cause it's fana --> fool's --> proc --> fana --> dead.
If u bring more proccers, and you get HQ sword HQ katana, GL proccing before fana wears lol, that's a lot of WSs
Also SMN dmg is tied to Bloodpact recast, BLM can pull over 20k dmg in 3-4mins, assuming 2k thunderstorms SMN could pull max 6-8k in that timeframe.
Earthen armor isn't that useful b/c Scherzo alone is enough not to have BLMs oneshotted by thundaja/blizzaja, and WHM can cure BLMs so they don't have to waste time using potions and can keep on nuking.
Your strat is probably safer, and i'm sure it works well, however the longer the fight lasts the more dangerous it gets imho, and going with 6-8 BLMs is faster.

Almost all the blms we had were top-geared, capped skills and using macc equip + macc roll, still we were getting quite a bit of resists.
Will bringing only 4 blms + 2 cor be enough to kill it before it chainspells again?

[Atoreis]

Or you can just run away if you can't get the HQs.

Then wait for one person to get back stones he lost.
Killing 60sec faster and risking a lot of breaks to get stones and to wait for ppl to unweak (because someone usually die while ranging) instead of killing 60sec slower but with much better chance to cover staggers.
Choose w/e you like more really

[Atoreis]

Yeah basically instead of SAM tanking it at the beginning, or PLD, we are having the NIN doing so while everyone pops temps + finds magic procs.
bringing 6-8 blms intead of 4 make it so u can kill it with just ONE HQ proc, cause it's fana --> fool's --> proc --> fana --> dead.
If u bring more proccers, and you get HQ sword HQ katana, GL proccing before fana wears lol, that's a lot of WSs
Also SMN dmg is tied to Bloodpact recast, BLM can pull over 20k dmg in 3-4mins, assuming 2k thunderstorms SMN could pull max 6-8k in that timeframe.
Earthen armor isn't that useful b/c Scherzo alone is enough not to have BLMs oneshotted by thundaja/blizzaja, and WHM can cure BLMs so they don't have to waste time using potions and can keep on nuking.
Your strat is probably safer, and i'm sure it works well, however the longer the fight lasts the more dangerous it gets imho, and going with 6-8 BLMs is faster.

Almost all the blms we had were top-geared, capped skills and using macc equip + macc roll, still we were getting quite a bit of resists.
Will bringing only 4 blms + 2 cor be enough to kill it before it chainspells again?

I think well geared SMN can easily pull more than 2k (Im not sure but saw some SMN saying he is doing regular 4k+ on most t6 VW).
In 3-4min good SMN can pull probably more like 15k.
More important tho, good BLM can do what 10k in 3-4 spells? Can probably make a round of those 3-4 spells twice per minute? Thats more like 50k in 3 min (not 20k) assuming some resists.
So 4xBLM and 2xCOR and 2xSMN should rape it easily.

[Toth]

I think well geared SMN can easily pull more than 2k (Im not sure but saw some SMN saying he is doing regular 4k+ on most t6 VW).
In 3-4min good SMN can pull probably more like 15k.
More important tho, good BLM can do what 10k in 3-4 spells? Can probably make a round of those 3-4 spells twice per minute? Thats more like 50k in 3 min (not 20k) assuming some resists.
So 4xBLM and 2xCOR and 2xSMN should rape it easily.

Hmmm I have most of the MAB gear available for SMN but am missing a few pieces (maybe 15 or so MAB). I have a hard time breaking 1.5k on them. I use mostly the meritted BPs though.

edit: ah I see, they use Ramuh and destruction/ Skyblaze for the large damage and AF2+2 hands for those massive numbers. Something fun to try XD

[Arthars]

not trying to make shit up, but I just asked him again on his drk he is getting more MP back/tic the more pieces he wears :/

the more u wear, the more MP you get. That is true, but the fact is it is 1 mp for 2 piece, 2 mp for 4 piece and 2 mp for 5 piece. that is fact too

as for why ur friend is getting 3 mp/tick, he is using bales choker

we are not making shits up either and im on drk now as we speak, wearing 5 piece and still 2mp/tick

maybe ur friend got some HQ ogier that we dont know of

[jimbobsonofgod]

Could be blood of the vampire,sanction,signet subbed smn or pld but i agree its definitely not more then 2mp/tic coming from ogiers.

[Atoreis]

Rex melee style.

[Slycer]

Group got 2 Asterias in 4 fights on Botulus last night, idk wtf. wru coruscanti, wru... Has anyone else seen higher glowing weapons drop rates on the new fights (Botulus/Ig-Alima) or is it just some insane coincidence that the group I go with has never seen one on any of the many, many Zilart T3s we've done, and just got 2 in 4 Botulus fights?

[Arthars]

technically i feel jeuno II drop rate is better generally than previous VWs, athos, rubeus and ogiers drop like pan cakes unlike diliriam sollerets, fajin, glow bodies etc

qilin is a totally bitch with drop rate, even the NQ dagger drop so rarely.... many times you can see at least 1 hoarfrost and supernal knife in every 4 fight

i know people who did qilin 500 times and still no coru and i did less than 100 ig-alima and got borealis

but still...... random is random........... someone i know got asteria in less than 50 rex too and he still havent got a coru

[Karbuncle]

I got a Supernal Knife on my first kill, then 2 Gerra Staves...

Shame Supernal is garbage (and the hq!)

[Slycer]

Shame Supernal is garbage (and the hq!)

idk, Asteria seems OK (Coruscanti certainly better though). I want to see someone dual wielding Coruscanti and Asteria, that would be epic. They seem like they would go pretty well together if the effects from one work with the other when dual wielded (not betting on that, though).

[Karbuncle]

Unless the Asteria Effect far surpasses Supernal, Its pretty much garbage still. I think even a Flame-Thock Would out-do Asteria... The Delay on that thing is just monstrous.

Supernal, After some tests of my own and someone on FFXIAH, Is only about a 10% Proc rate to do 10% more Damage on a crit.

I think Asteria/Corus would be fun for looks, But ultimately Corus/FlameThock would be better, and its not even counting Mandau/Twast in the picture

but i suppose I should hold my judgment until i see some test/proc rate/amount on Asteria....

[Taim Meich]

wtf is that Flame-Thock you're talking about?

[Chronosphere]

Final upgrade for the dagger elemental path

[Taim Meich]

Ah!

Indeed, fire magian weapons are too good on low att jobs to pass. Still, I'm wondering if Corus/Lux could be good using Evis... 9% crit plus 25 dex is like an abyssea-lite boost.

[Slycer]

Still, I'm wondering if Corus/Lux could be good using Evis... 9% crit plus 25 dex is like an abyssea-lite boost.

Has it been confirmed that the crit rate boosts stack and aren't specifically for that weapon?

[Byrthnoth]

Yes, but 9% and 25% DEX is hardly Razed Ruins.

[Strawhat]

technically i feel jeuno II drop rate is better generally than previous VWs, athos, rubeus and ogiers drop like pan cakes unlike diliriam sollerets, fajin, glow bodies etc

qilin is a totally bitch with drop rate, even the NQ dagger drop so rarely.... many times you can see at least 1 hoarfrost and supernal knife in every 4 fight

i know people who did qilin 500 times and still no coru and i did less than 100 ig-alima and got borealis

but still...... random is random........... someone i know got asteria in less than 50 rex too and he still havent got a coru

done about 100 qilins, and buying plates as they drop, 600 plates+, last night got my second coru, 5+ nq daggers, 99+ gorgets/boots lol

And... People spam Qilin not for the gear most of the time... so makes sense for drops to be rarer... thou yesterday we had 12 kills with no pouches drops.. how is that even possible O.o